> That is the basic formula. This cult has always
> been about the exaggeration of facts, half-truths
> and disingenuous talking points that don't in fact
> reflect what they are about at all.
Good points, RUN_FOREST_RUN especially for the serious inquirer.
> Some claims they make that don't add up at all:
> 1. The religion is over 5000 years old. Not true
> even remotely. Chaitanya Vaishnavism accepts
> Chaitanya as an avatar of vishnu/krishna based on
> zero verifiable scriptural references. At best the
> most of what is considered the hare Krishna faith
> these days is about 500-1500 years old.
The aspect of the stages / schools of Vedanta is also important, where we have, for example, "purified monism". The question is how a perfect message from 5,000 years ago can be "cleansed" or "purified".
> 6. They promote the idea of a soul and shun body-centric identification while very much focusing >on externals: Men women, how people dress (saris/dhotis etc), the fact that not until very recently > not a single contemporary image of Butler was circulating and ISKCON temples all feature an > anatomically correct plastic replica of the Founder guru, Bhaktivedanta. Wai Lana is featured in > excessive loads of makeup and much of Butler's crowd is into yoga fitness culture and clothing.
Natural aging icon. With 1mm thick makeup. Or singing mantras with pajamas in front of the fireplace. Sex with a divine couple?
>8. The followers are asked to follow all manner of rules, yet, when convenient the rules do not >apply to the gurus. Bhaktivedanta used Tabacco snuff daily and Butler broke his sanyas vows to >marry a disciple of his. It's not about the imitation of so-called "pure devotees", it's about the >so-called role of the acharya or one that teaches by example
Not only a wedding with a disciple, but a broken family. Is this supposed to be a good example? What does Richie say?
> 7. Butler has time and again shown himself to not
> be "lower than a blade of grass and more tolerant
> than a tree". Since almost the inception of his
> faction Gaudiya group/cult, he has lived in the
> lap of luxury served hand and foot by followers
> who subscribe to irrational rules in his service.
Interesting facts that were recorded in the photos are, among others arati that he performs in front of his own form in the center of the lower altar, breaking the order of Parampara.
Another interesting example is the photo from Tusta Krishna das (David Muncie), where CB is dressed in a golden / yellowish outfit, suggesting that he is Caitanya Mahaprabhu Himself.
> 15. For as much money as it takes to glorify god,
> there is little to show for it of functional value
> to society. Take the Mayapur Temple. So far it has
> cost some 72 million to build a structure that
> hopes to "educate" people about vedic cosmology
> (i.e. suns being pulled around by chariots
> I thought this process was simple? Chant and be
> happy. all of a sudden it apparently also takes a
> whole lot of money as well (a whole lot of
> spending money to do it right!). The average
> devotee is asked to give some 10-50% of their
> income to such "service opportunities". When I
> started to leave this cult, I recall how my mother
> and the devotees used to harangue me to "at least
> keep your donations to the temple and gurudev so
> you stay "connected" in some way". These devotees
> are willing to live in poverty while their guru is
> massaged daily and lives in a beach house or
> otherwise in the lap of luxury snorting tobacco
Better as a veggie to feed homeless people.
> It's really silly to walk into a Butler meditation
> center and see no pictures of Butler and the gurus
> in the line. It's even more silly that they go out
> of their way to chant everything BUT the maha
> mantra in most of their centers (when we joined
> they actually forbade us to chant the hare krishna
> mantra except silently on beads—and even then we
> were mostly told to chant "gopala govinda rama or
> Nitai Gaura. Why is that??? Are they ashamed of
> their religion? Are they ashamed of their gods and
> the silly stories in their scriptures? I could
> barely explain to my daughter the picture of
> Narashigha ripping the guts from Hiranyakashipus
> stomach. Concepts like these are foreign to any
> rational thinking person let alone attempting to
> tell people that it's some "eternal dharma" crap.
And why there is no "Radha" in "Gopala Govinda Rama" mantra, there is no Radha with Govinda, or Sita with Rama (ok, Ravana's fault), but why Govinda alone? Gopal, cowhered boy ok -with friends, boys and cows...Etc.
And there are no Nitai-Gaur deities in India. They are Gaura-Nitai.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2021 05:13AM by Culthusiast.