> This type of dehumanizing emotion then carries
> over to their concept of future lives, be that in
> a so-called "spiritual" body or, more often, in
> the Gaudiya sect, to be reborn again and again as
> a lowly dog or grain of sand to be touched by
> someones foot. In fact it's often a game of
> "how-low-can-you-go. Devotees will describe that
> they want to be born again and again lifetime
> after lifetime as servant of the servant, a
> thousand times removed. In fact it feels as if one
> simply cannot conceive of themselves any lower. At
> that time they will resort to describing
> themselves as so-called low animals or insects or
> even inanimate objects like grains of sand or
> grass or trees.
In SiF there was a visible duplicate tendency to exaggerate the flaws of this world, etc. Interestingly, it did not reduce the problems in the cult, but even increased mental problems, changed the standard, i.e. it lowered it, covered it with denial, there were absurdities that would be difficult in normal " materialistic "reality.
I gave an example. One of the unmarried woman devotee in Poland allowed at least 2 other women to live in her own apartment. They were all involved in "devotional service" so money was a shortage. The indebted flat is in decline. As one of them - the owner - had great needs for a relationship, it caused friction between three unmarried women, a commission of the others was formed, which decided that the owner of the apartment should leave it ...
> Even the idea of siddha-swarup (ones eternal
> spiritual form) is often tainted by this idea that
> one can be happy eternally as a grain of sand in
> the spiritual sky. But no one gets into this path
> cause they want to be a grain of sand for
This runs counter to the encouragement to adopt or develop Manjari's mood. The very concept of a form in a possible "spiritual" existence is an interesting topic.
> Not to mention, it creates the mentality of a
The doorma mentality is only for ordinary sheep. A lot is forgiven for those higher in the hierarchy.
For example, the leader mentioned by me many times, publicly saying to everyone "you are in your ass again". I was telling another initiated person that it was offensive and she said that "a devotee might be like that" ...
> The fact is we have senses and we enjoy some
> things and not others. Some people struggle due to
> excess enjoyment of some specific things others do
> not (there are plenty of fat devotees not mention
> devotees who are addicted to intoxication—the
> swami himself was a daily user of tobacco snuff;
> Butler needs ample tin foil to feel at peace).
This is true. In nature it is evident that the contact of the senses with sense objects, or simply objects, brings about sensations. The fact is noticed by the Vaishnava philosophy that it does not bring happiness. On the other hand, the separation of this pleasure is technically limited. Covid, disease, damaged nerves, etc. "This is what is" using the language of Buddhist philosophy.
> Tulsi's lasted about a year before she was on to
> the next one. Citing "the heavy cost of war" as a
> major issue for things not working out (Wonder if
> the Pandavas left their wife due to the heavy cost
> of war?).
Sure. Vedic woman leaves her husband to take part in an aggressive war where weapons of mass destruction have not been found. As a clerk. She courageously did not take part in skirmishes and patrols, bravely exposing herself to allegations of cowardice by her companions.
> This article claims Butler is deceased:
If deceased - question since when.