> So basically a Mudha is anyone who does not accept
> their specific god. Got it. Very credible and
> logical indeed. Pretty much the formula of all
> fanatical religious groups.
In this case the context was lost and it was treated too generally. Just take a look:
Prabhupada: Still, if you say, "You are mudha," they become angry. Such mudhas, rascals, they are in the government service. And if you say that "You are mudhas," he becomes angry. Upadeso hi murkhanam prakopaya na santaye: "If a mudha is advised nice instruction, he becomes angry." He does not take it. Payah-panam bhujanganam kevalam visa-vardhanam: "If you give milk and banana to a snake, you simply increase his poison." One day he will come-(growls). You see? "I have given you milk and you..." "Yes, that is my nature. Yes. You give me milk, and I am prepared to kill you." This is mudha. We have to kill this civilization of mudhas. That is Krsna consciousness movement. Paritranaya sadhunam vinasaya ca duskrtam [Bg. 4.8]. Those who are actually human being, you have to give them Krsna. And those who are mudhas, we have to kill them. This is our business. Kill all the mudhas and give Krsna to the sane man. Yes. That will prove that you are really Krsna's. We are not nonviolent. We are violent to the mu?has. [break] ...wal, did you come here before?
So you can see that the word "kill" falls in the context of narrowing the term "mudha" to politicians who are ready to kill someone who teaches them or "gives them milk". So the term "kill all the mudha" is a far-reaching generalization. The lost context of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami words.
Or at least the beginning of the paragraph outlines concentration on politics and then first of all this "mudha" is assigned the readiness to kill.
> DeWatcher: What do you mean it's "Hard to say that
> are words of ACBS"? It's right there in the
> transcripts on the Vani archives (along with many
> other lunatic comments, ideas, dogma):
I respect original Veda and today's science. And verify. As I showed earlier - there is always someone changing something. The original dies. The question of verification methodology arises. And I use these tools. Also logic and other. For example you can find explanation for ayur-veda in system dynamics advanced course with mathematics. Quite shocking can be...
> Do you think people have time to make shit up
> about this cult and write thousands of pages of
> lecture transcripts to debunk some fringe cult?
I do have. I do not have interest in cults. Already suffered because of the engagement in this cult. Anyway I did not loose the interest for the Truth.
> These groups abuse followers, kids, are involved
> in shady money schemes, political power trips and
> misinformation about nearly everything while
> hiding behind a so-called hindu banner and crying
> "religious bigotry" when they are revealed for the
> bullshit peddlers that they are.
True. Event nowadays if you listened to the people coming from SIF centers in USA there is utilitarianism in treating the people (business). They are slowly opening their eyes which is not easy.
> Where in the Bible do you find any Madhurya Rasa?
> Nowhere. Conjugal love is specific to the
> Vaishnava cult of Bhakti. It is literally the ONLY
> religion that speaks of devotees realizing their
> eternal spiritual form as young gopi cowherd girls
> who help Radha and Krishna get off in their "love
Of course there is. But you have to remember i.e. that Jews got rid of the wife of Jahwe, Asherah. Etc.etc.
Or take the traces from the Book of Genesis, where God creates man in his own image and likeness - woman and man. And not the man alone. A woman from Adam's rib. Not everything has been removed.
But it is not the place and time to discuss that.
> The division in Butlers group and all of these
> groups is very simple: Those who are in "Maya" and
> those who are part of the cult and on the path to
> "liberation" via the method of mantra chanting.
In practice we may have groups in which understanding is shallow, or the party mentality bolts more subtle perception and so on. Party mentality means breaking yama. It's practically inevitable. That's how i see it but i can be wrong.
> The various impersonalists and sahajiya and so
> forth are all considered by the devotees like
> Butler to be "demons" and in "Maya". So no, the
> division is not over-simplified. That is truly the
> way they see the world. That is how the kids are
> raised and that is what is preached in the cult.
> Plain and simple. Read through Vani—there is no
> shortage of outlandish comments and ideas being
> proposed. For every ounce of logic and reason
> there is 1000 ounces of "woo woo" that you can't
> unsee... but then again, I am a demon.
True. In fact, however, all living entities have been given some form of freedom and their choice is whether they want to be in the spirit world or in specific areas of the material world. Freedom of choice. As far as it was offered to them. Love is freedom. Violation of freedom is a symptom of a lack of love. No one will be forced to love. And that was one of my allegations about the moods and behavior in SIF Poland against leaders, etc.
Of course, someone brought up, for example, in honest non-clerical or nativity Catholicism or following the teachings of the Buddha, especially ahimsa, will not have attraction to aggressive attitudes. Notwithstanding that individual freedom and rights are in one way or another regulated by law.
However, if someone asks the question whether sects for recruitment purposes color reality by exaggerating its flaws, this is true, and so it also looked at SIF Poland. Of course, the question of difference in value systems or levels of sensitivity arises again. Eg vegetarianism and not killing animals.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2020 05:37AM by DaWatcher.