Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: January 15, 2020 05:11PM
> It's one thing to adjust a disciples respective or
> give some chastisement for a small
> misunderstanding. Butler has had rules like this
> in place for YEARS. Many devotees have received
> letters condemning them of "not caring about their
> spiritual master" and thereby negating their
> ability to make some advancement spiritually. That
> is the crux of it. Butler sets up his disciples
> for failure by either putting unneeded stress on
> them about his care or literally controlling every
> aspect of his care where using ones own brain and
> common sense becomes null. This creates a literal
> mental handicap in his followers. Not to mention
> in Butler himself as a guru. Ritual seva is one
> thing. This is narcissistic control over eery
> aspect of a followers life. And guess what happens
> when y9ou cannot take it anymore? You get harshly
> You know how many
> letters we were read as kids that condemed out
> parents or top devotees we looked up to because
> they missed a step on a policy list like this or
> had to tend to their own fucking kids once in a
> while??? We lived in constant stress and anxiety
> of displeasing butler and going to hell—lifetime
> after lifetime.
Take into account that we did not know many things in Poland. Anyway, it depended on what position one had as a lamb. There were 2 charismatic leaders, center leaders and other initiates. There was a "caste" of "more serious" initiated among them. There were uninitiated sheep but "did a lot" and, for example, some people were classified as "sympathizer". The very idea of "classification" in the context of "offering a leaf, fruit, some water" aroused objection. There were "initiates" meetings to which ordinary sheep were not generally invited. It can be concluded that it was also a tool for building the "superiority of the caste".
From among the letters and "controversial lectures" it reached the middle-level sheep certainly not as much as you describe. The dominant majority of lectures were free from the disadvantages described. We received lectures classified at different levels. However, there were symptoms of "incorrectness" - for me personally one of the first was a lecture where the question was discussed that one of the children in a situation where he had personal contact with Chris Butler when he entered the room, on the other hand there was an altar with a photo of Chris Butler, the child could not behave. The words "stupid kid" were spoken. It was a bad signal for me. If you don't have personal contact with the guru for a long time, or if you don't have personal contact with the guru at all, then refer to the photo. This gives rise to a number of effects. Acclimated. Builds a certain concept of proper behavior.
There was pressure to send children to school in the Philippines, this was considered serious. For me absurd.
Anyway, there were signals that "something is wrong" that years later resulted in incidents or scandals. Some symptoms were seen early. For example, at a retreat in the mountains, in Wisla or Zawoja, lectures were given by Tusta Krishna das. Meanwhile, one of the charismatic leaders began to give lectures to the adoration circle in the corridor between the lectures. I was surprised at how correct it is to speak at an authority meeting. Either way, this leader gathered a delighted circle of Adorers. Most women admirers.
In your case, the school victims, in addition to reliable accounts, simply need hard evidence. That there would be no way to open the denial.
> Affection and chastisement do coexist as a way of
> teaching and applying discipline. But when they
> negate any room for using ones own common sense
> about things the disciple never learns anything.
> They simply follow a rigid system of thought and
> that crosses over into every aspect of their life.
> they literally cannot function without the
> directive of the guru about EVERYTHING. A guru is
> a spiritual teacher—not a psychologist, doctor or
> academic teacher. When a guru starts to exert this
> level of totalitarian control over his followers
> it becomes a form of narcism. How can any one
> human being—spiritually advanced or
> otherwise—dictate this much power? Of course the
> disciple will fuck up. And then what? Are they to
> live in a vortex of endless chastisement and
> anxiety about pleasing their guru's specific
> "tastes". Krishna asks in the Gita that his
> devotee offer him a flower, leaf, water—Butler is
> asking nothing short of a miracle of his devotees.
This is an important issue. Does accepting authority really mean a sense of inferiority? Taking a lower position than Guru means accepting that he knows me or understands better. If a disciplined student loses this attitude for one reason or another - discipline - depending on the circumstances - may make him aware of it or help him restore it. That he would not be controlled by his ego. On the other hand, inducing a lasting sense of guilt or a sense of inferiority is a way to full control and can lead to abuse. That's how I see it.
Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2020 05:16PM by DaWatcher.