Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: January 22, 2020 07:54PM

IanKoviak Wrote:
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> The mantras work when you
> are in a lively kirtan in the same fashion that a
> rock concert makes one feel free and happy.
> Chanting on beads alone was always stressful as
> you were asked to chant 16 rounds and spent
> majority of the morning trying to bang through the
> rounds so you can get on with your life.

Different aspects connected.


> People adhere, don't question and blindly
> follow out of a place of fear.

This is a symptom of a sect. Another example is that when you ask an inquisitive question, there is an attempt to intimidate. Faced with facts, there is denial.Or opposite. Symptoms of a sect.

> And the fear runs
> very deep. Devotees will reject their family,
> friends, society and a host of illogical fears
> take hold.

Symptom of a sect.

> Nowadays, the devotees of Butler are quick to sue,
> file lawsuits and libel suits.

Then we have to put a question - and what about diver boat killer?

There cannot be spiritual life with notorious violation of universal moral principles - yama.

> I have spoken personally to ex-followers who have
> told me they have MUCH MUCH more information about
> financial schemes, odd behavior etc.

Yes, there are more informations. There is always a necessity to verify. Anyway, one has to ask himself a question - why did i come to a certain sanga? To socialize in a cult? To get knowledge? I decided to look for spiritual realisation - before.

> Why does
> Butler know so much about homosexual sex
> practices. I recall as a young boy hearing
> lectures wherein butler graphically described many
> fringe sex acts. Why were we allowed and made to
> listen to this and write essays on these topics?

"Tamas" concentration.


> Why were we groomed to have such fear and hatred
> towards other Krishna groups, religions, women,
> family etc??? Was this a well rounded education of
> any sort? What spiritual benefit came from such
> things?

Srila Bhaktivinoda gave warnings.


> When all is said and done, if a person is happy in
> this cult, by all means continue. But I truly
> question ones sanity and sense of well being and
> self when this is all passed off as "acceptable"
> and "justified" by virtue of it's relation to the
> blue god Krishna. If this is what passes as
> "spiritual life" we are living in truly backwards
> times indeed.

We are unique and if we are sincere - we still search for the ultimate truth. It is positive.



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: January 22, 2020 09:19PM

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DaWatcher
This is a symptom of a sect. Another example is that when you ask an inquisitive question, there is an attempt to intimidate. Faced with facts, there is denial.Or opposite. Symptoms of a sect.

Of course it should be properly corrected when there is rejection, denial, intimidation etc.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: IanKoviak ()
Date: January 23, 2020 07:07AM

Jai Srila Prabhupada!!!!

[abcnews.go.com]

May Lord Narashingha protect us from the evil Hillary Clinton.

In true Butler fashion, Tulsi decides to sue cause her lord didn't show up for the occasion... Krishna saves his energy to battle the real big demons. Hillary did not make the cut I guess.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: January 23, 2020 07:31PM

IanKoviak Wrote:
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> Jai Srila Prabhupada!!!!
>
> [abcnews.go.com]
>
> May Lord Narashingha protect us from the evil
> Hillary Clinton.
>
> In true Butler fashion, Tulsi decides to sue cause
> her lord didn't show up for the occasion...
> Krishna saves his energy to battle the real big
> demons. Hillary did not make the cut I guess.

Nothing surprising when it comes to the expected method of operation.Samoa origin by father! Mother? However, one must admire how much Tulsi has the strength to speak. Non-stop talk.

I don't know how much Lord Krishna has to do with this. I also don't know how much Chris Butler has to do with it - maybe they got divorced in their visions and projects. I am still wondering about the huge karma and "gather the gang after big bang".

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: IanKoviak ()
Date: January 24, 2020 01:57AM

Divorced? From who? From What? What does Samoa have to do with anything?

I am especially fond of Krishnas words in the Gita about suing your enemy for $50K. And the verses in chapter 7 smashing homosexuals and muslims. Now I know where the inspiration came from. Anything can be justified when it is done "for Krishna" under the guidance of an expert spiritual master.

Apparently, according to scripture, Krishna has everything to do with it. And if you don't understand it, just know it's all a part of his eternal "play".

If you think for one second that Butler is not banking on the $50K suing that is going on in the Tulsi campaign, you my dear friend, do not know Butler or anything about how SIF operates. Tulsi does not speak or move without Butler pulling the strings. You think 5000+ SIF followers are feverishly supporting Tulsi because there is a lack of options in terms of political candidates? Butler has been telling his followers who to vote for since the 70s. We were all told to vote for Rick Reed, Nashiki, and Mike Gabbard et al for years by Butler.

Tulsi has videos and recent news articles where she still gives allegiance to Butler. As recent as last year. Her staff members are all Butler devotees, followers and disciples. She has been shown in videos at Kirtans in Hawaii offering flowers to huge pictures of Butler on the alter just a few months ago. Divorced? Are you serious? She has Butler on speed dial.

All this suing and complaining that the elections are rigged, not attending debates and flip flopping on her stances over the course of a very short period of time is all Butler driving his political power trip through a brainwashed devotee. He literally has fell hook line and sinker for his post as Jagad Guru. If it was not that he is allergic to the air around his face he would be running for President himself.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: January 24, 2020 02:32AM

IanKoviak Wrote:
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> Divorced? From who? From What? What does Samoa
> have to do with anything?

To check everything and everyone. Too important.

IanKoviak Wrote:
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> I am especially fond of Krishnas words in the Gita
> about suing your enemy for $50K. And the verses in
> chapter 7 smashing homosexuals and muslims. Now I
> know where the inspiration came from. Anything can
> be justified when it is done "for Krishna" under
> the guidance of an expert spiritual master.

Can't remind such "gita" actually...Hm...

IanKoviak Wrote:
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> Apparently, according to scripture, Krishna has
> everything to do with it. And if you don't
> understand it, just know it's all a part of his
> eternal "play".

From a philosophical point of view, nothing happens without God's will. There is a field of action. There are forces like tracks along which the action's actions slide. A big discussion about free will.

The subject is too important to easily blame Lord Krishna for the actions of those who present themselves as followers of Lord Krishna, especially since their understanding of the Gita differs from Her or is shallow.

Shallow solutions to the Whole World?

> If you think for one second that Butler is not
> banking on the $50K suing that is going on in the
> Tulsi campaign, you my dear friend, do not know
> Butler or anything about how SIF operates. Tulsi
> does not speak or move without Butler pulling the
> strings. You think 5000+ SIF followers are
> feverishly supporting Tulsi because there is a
> lack of options in terms of political candidates?
> Butler has been telling his followers who to vote
> for since the 70s. We were all told to vote for
> Rick Reed, Nashiki, and Mike Gabbard et al for
> years by Butler.

I am here because of controversy. However, I rely on observation, analysis and evidence. More facts, more evidence, more relations, confirmed coincidence.

To be careful.

> Tulsi has videos and recent news articles where
> she still gives allegiance to Butler. As recent as
> last year. Her staff members are all Butler
> devotees, followers and disciples. She has been
> shown in videos at Kirtans in Hawaii offering
> flowers to huge pictures of Butler on the alter
> just a few months ago. Divorced? Are you serious?
> She has Butler on speed dial.

I saw some of this videos. True. Then some "cleaning" happened. On wiki i.e. There are some accepting it. I am not surprised.

> All this suing and complaining that the elections
> are rigged, not attending debates and flip
> flopping on her stances over the course of a very
> short period of time is all Butler driving his
> political power trip through a brainwashed
> devotee. He literally has fell hook line and
> sinker for his post as Jagad Guru. If it was not
> that he is allergic to the air around his face he
> would be running for President himself.

But there are rules in the World so there is no acting-freely.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: January 25, 2020 12:59PM

Ian- So Tulsi is suing Hillary Clinton- for defamation.
This is TYPICAL BUTLER CULT TACTICS!

Do you know how many people Butler has sued by now?
What is it all for- its for money and mo'money.

Now he has ordered Tulsi to sue Hillary!

I guess Butler really needs those FIFTY MILLION dollars!

Tulsi's campaign seems to have drained his wallet- you know all the money goes to him, right? All those donations and all those hidden businesses.
Or else he has to recoup the money he had to shell out over the cover-up of the death of Sri Shim.

Regarding the You Tube of Tulsi suing HIllary- most of the comments are hilarious and most are saying something to the effect of:

1) "How to dig your own grave- Sue Hillary"
2) "Suicide at 11..."
3) "No Tulsi did not commit suicide with 2 bullets to the back of the head"
4) "No Tulsi was not robbed and shot with purse still in hand- so wrote Seth Rich."
5) "Any day now, Tulsi will be arkansided!"


well...on the other hand...



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: January 25, 2020 07:16PM

VoxVeritasVita Das Wrote:
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> I guess Butler really needs those FIFTY MILLION
> dollars!

At a purely practical level, the question was how big part of the support were given by Mr. Patrick's donations.


> Tulsi's campaign seems to have drained his wallet-
> you know all the money goes to him, right? All
> those donations and all those hidden businesses.
> Or else he has to recoup the money he had to
> shell out over the cover-up of the death of Sri
> Shim.


Killing a person or protecting a real offender from liability, even if worldly law is an imperfect version of yama, this is not a good symptom.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: IanKoviak ()
Date: January 27, 2020 12:28AM

I'm surprised she didn't go for 108 million.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: IanKoviak ()
Date: January 27, 2020 01:31AM

The way in which Butler and his followers think runs something like this: they feel that any money and anyway to get money out of this whole political endeavor is purifying each and every person who donates or is sued or has money extracted from them in anyway. They feel that the more people who donate to this representative of Krishna, the more purified the world will get.ISKCON did the same kind of stuff. They approached unwitting people at airports and said whatever bullshit they needed to say to extract money from people. It was called "the pick". All Butler is doing is a 2.0 version of the pick. Why deal in chump change when you can extract millions from the demons and purify the world? Butler and Tulsi statements both past and present reveal that they are concerned with dividing the world up into devotees and demons. "lower than a blade of grass" went out the window a long time ago in this cult. In fact, you would be hard-pressed to hear a lecture of butlers either past or present that doesn't reveal the superiority complex and arrogant tone. You definitely don't get the vibe that this is a humble human being. In tulsi's recent public announcement of why she is suing Hillary Clinton, she spends majority of the letter describing what seemingly wonderful person she is because she is a patriot and so forth. Even common people who are her supporters found it distasteful that she went on and on describing herself as some kind of a military hero. She was a desk clerk in the army. The entire fact that she even signed up to be deployed for such a completely bullshit War is also very suspect. The so-called war on terror was the biggest political and Military blunder in history. You gotta question someones sanity at least a little bit for having voluntarily joined up, especially when they are a so called devotee.

Again, I ask the question, what business does a silly Hari Krishna Mickey Mouse Club cult have in getting involved in politics? Let alone getting involved with convicted drug smugglers, financial fraud schemes, and anti-homosexual activism? If you remember the premise under which the bhagavad-gita was supposedly spoken, it's kind of mirrors this scenario. There are many problems that arise when devotees start to take the myths and legends of their scriptures as literal. The stories are simply there to illustrate philosophical Concepts, not to be imitated and taken at face value. But to butlers followers, tulsi is their arjuna hero and butler is Krishna. And the political climate they injected themselves into makes kurukshetra look like a rubberband fight.

[www.washingtonexaminer.com]

Looks like people are starting to see Tulsi for who she really is. A Democrat who swings Republican talking points and has flip-flopped on every major issue to gain popularity. Sounds like her Guru. This opinion piece reeks of the same crybaby tactics that have been used by Tulsi and Butler over the years. She wasn't invited because she lacks authenticity about what she really stands for and who she is. The same reason that Butler was rejected for years by any vaishnava groups. There was no clarity about what he represented and stood for even within this small Fringe religious cult.

"We can be better as a species if we recognize religion as a man-made construct. We owe it to ourselves to at least consider the real roots of religious belief, so we can deal with life as it is, taking advantage of perhaps our mind’s greatest adaptation: our ability to use reason."

-j Andersen thomson

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