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Rama Das (slave name)
It reminds me of a joke by the comedian Bill Hicks, he is talking about "pro-lifers"

R.I.P. Bill.

He was one of the most amazing people to walk the planet.
"Wherever there is truth, love and laughter, I will be there."

Hey Rama,

I have never heard of Bill Hicks - was he a stand-up type comedian, or what? On an unrelated topic, I sometimes get a good laugh :lol: from "prank radio" - they make prank telephone calls - sometimes can be extremely laughter provoking - sometimes the prank falls a bit flat, though! :cry:

:x Too bad your family has been split by this cult business, though... I think Siddha once quoted Jesus in the bible, where he said something like, "I have come to set father against son and mother against daughter" (or something to that effect)...

Just another example of how religion can split not only countries, political parties, but also families as well. They should just mellow out and respect your opinion - it's not like you're a hardened criminal - you are just saying what you think, and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!

But I suppose cult members do not think as logically as this... keep on thinking free :wink:

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If Siddha had died, Vsnotty would either play on his legacy like Yoko Ono, bad voice and all or become a guruette in her own right. I'm sure Siddha's followers would accomodate her and elevate her as she will be holding the purse strings. Or she could marry the devotee BT ( who married Katyayani and became her promoter in the divine Mother type/ girl-guru curcuit).

Hey Zelig, I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic tongue-in-cheek type humor with this paragraph, :lol: or if you are being serious 8)

Would this be wife number 4 for BT??? I lost count way back 20 years ago! Was he branded an alpha-male by Siddha himself, or was it just a case of the guy with the most bread gets the most women? :P

:D

[quote=" "prank radio" - they make prank telephone calls "[/quote]

This one reminds me of a typical SOI member:

[www.arcadenerds.com]

Back in the 60s and 70s .... I was at Woodstock man ... tripping me out man ... thinking of getting a job man ....

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If Siddha had died, Vsnotty would either play on his legacy like Yoko Ono, bad voice and all or become a guruette in her own right. I'm sure Siddha's followers would accomodate her and elevate her as she will be holding the purse strings. Or she could marry the devotee BT ( who married Katyayani and became her promoter in the divine Mother type/ girl-guru curcuit).

Hey Zelig, I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic tongue-in-cheek type humor with this paragraph, :lol: or if you are being serious 8)

Would this be wife number 4 for BT??? I lost count way back 20 years ago! Was he branded an alpha-male by Siddha himself, or was it just a case of the guy with the most bread gets the most women? :P

:D

Dead SERIOUS man, except for the BT marriage. She would be at least wife #5. He left L for P (both remarried), then left P for C who later married RR, then married K. Siddha told P that C was her karma for taking BT away from L. No sh*t! (Taking on V was the sarcastic part).

Vaishnavasnotty being very much like Yoko Ono (have you EVER heard that woman sing!???) is very true.

K is probably really pissed at V for ripping off her act and her clothing. K was a good designer and V wears styles invented by K --- she looks like her clone now -- only much younger. :roll:

I guess if you wanted us to know you would have already said but what is this about?

Anyone ever heard of Sidda recognising another guru (an inferior woman no less) as being a pure devotee? There was a devotee on the Gold Coast that ran kirtan for SOI but who had another spiritual master. I was told the name of her spiritual master but have forgotten, although I am sure I would recognise it if I saw it. Although I thought that this was strange I was assurred that it was fine because Siddha said that this devotee was a pure devotee also. :roll:

Glad to see people having a forum where they can "air their souls" on their pasts with SOI.
I was in there tight, as they say "I became one of those priviledged ones who spent many hours, walks, talks with the exhaulted JG and VD. I had talents they needed, I could be trusted so I was of some use. Looking back Man I did some wierd stuff all in the name of God and serving the pure devotee. Geez I was stupid! Wish I could turn back the clock sometimes I feel like I wasted all those years. Making up for lost time now and are content with life. Still get those nightmares when I think I am back there and JG is lashing into me with his vindictive comments and then acting like such a sweet guy!
There are many stories about this organisation they would love to keep hidden. They have lost the plot big time!! Can't help but feel for all those kids who came out of this. What choice did they have- deprived of educations, lack of socialization skills, their familes disown them if they leave, they be come blacklisted- why? Because just maybe they will influence their friends or siblings that one can have a life on the outside, maybe they won't go to hell!

To the last poster. K is Katyayani devidasi or maybe she is a guru in her own right now. Boy some stuff came down about that subject, I mean we can't have more than one guru on this planet can we! Yes V did have a shocking voice, she sure learnt quickly how to have everyone bowing to her orders though! That demure chinese girl out of HK is now no longer to be seen. The other organisation of late which many of JG groupies have crossed over to is from India, a god brother of SP-can't remember the name.
The names mentioned on this forum, I know of most of them, I was sad to hear some took their own lives. And no for the record Tusta did not die from overusing a cell phone- he ALWAYS suffered from really intense migraine headaches and that was before he had a cellphone.

For all those who did get out- life w/o JD in it is pretty good! And for all those still in it- you are definitely brainwashed if you ever have the courage to ever cut the tie it will be the hardest thing you may have to ever do, but if its any comfort you will never ever regret it. I think for all of us now on the "otherside" we just want to get on with our lives, and leave it all behind. You can't keep the friendships you had and in some cases even the kids- it sucks but it all goes with the territory!

The JG spy's will always be reading these forums, and be reporting accordingly. Instead of making everyone else conform to their beliefs perhaps they should go back to isolating themselves once again and keeping their noses out of politics, gay bashing agendas, schools etc.

Hey, Googling.

Thanks for your words.

Yeah, Bill Hicks was a comedian from Texas, a stand-up comedian.

He was taking the stage constantly from a very young age of 15 or so, he died in 1994 at age 32 under some very 'Bob Marley-ish' circumstances...

It was cancer, and he was a very very aware and enlightened man cut down in his prime.
The things he was saying and a television show for which he filmed only the pilot(he died as they were doing this), were really approaching a level that would most definately be a threat to those wishing the populace to feed on and remain in ignorance.

On the Wikipedia page about him, he is quoted as describing his act as "Chomsky with dick jokes."

I think his brilliance was not only in his ability to perceive from a very clear and timeless place, but also in his rage, his complete frustration with what passes for 'human life'... often breaking down mid joke and praying for total nuclear holocaust.

He was like a true brother, someone who you could absolutely relate to, someone who truly embodied what it is to be HUMAN.
Yet he was the one who got out, he knew the true nature of life, our true power, what was really possible and what life is really about.

He experienced life from this level, and he was not at all reserved about sharing this perspective.

Like he transcended the illusion while still here and spoke back to us directly through that portal he had opened up.

so human and a constant inspiration.

"I was told when I grew up I could be anything I wanted: a fireman, a policeman, a doctor - even President, it seemed. And for the first time in the history of mankind, something new, called an astronaut. But like so many kids brought up on a steady diet of Westerns, I always wanted to be the avenging cowboy hero—that lone voice in the wilderness, fighting corruption and evil wherever I found it, and standing for freedom, truth and justice. And in my heart of hearts I still track the remnants of that dream wherever I go, in my endless ride into the setting sun." - bill hicks

and the Musician Tom Waits said of him...

"Bill Hicks—blowtorch, excavator, truthsayer and brain specialist, like a reverend waving a gun around. Pay attention to 'Rant in E Minor,' it is a major work, as important as Lenny Bruce's. He will correct your vision. His life was cut short by cancer, though he did leave his tools here. Others will drive on the road he built. Long may his records rant even though he can't."

Yes, we are most definately being watched here.

My Father sent me a very distraught e-mail over all the things I have said on here.

It was signed on behalf of him, my mother and brother. I would suggest that there is GREAT pressure on him from sheila prabhoo-fraud, also.

I said in one of my posts that my brother and I were inseperable for the first 13 or so years, and since the day I left the phillipino boarding school, I have probably spent a total of a couple of months around him, it has been about 13 years since then.
(he is 'on-site' with Siddha, that does not leave much room for hanging out with your derelict, Karmi brother.)

I followed that with the statement "...and my pathetic parents could not possibly be more happy."

My Dad said that he could handle being called pathetic, but to call my mother that, the one who carried me in her womb and cried herself to sleep over my (very serious) childhood ailments, calling her pathetic is one of the worst things I could say about her.

He takes the position of being very injured by my words, he takes the position of equating my saying that with me not appreciating anything they have done for me.

This is so wrong. I never said I don't appreciate those things, and they know I do.

But to use these highly emotional elements of the past to bludgeon me into guilt and silence WHAT I REALLY THINK and WHO I TRULY AM is not cool.

It shows that his little precious belief and alliegance to his spiritual master is so much more important than who I might really be and what I might actually think.

It is time to grow up. If you cannot hear me out without needing to unload truckloads of guilt on me, if you cannot understand that it IS quite possible to listen to ALL that I have said and let it stand, to accept that that is how I see it and how I feel and still relate to me.

If your blindness and immaturity keep you afraid of me and isolated from me, then you are not capable of seeing past your emotions which you have constructed to protect your choice in life.

If you cannot accept that your son feels the way I do, if you need to push me away because I don't like what you gave me, then you never really had room for a son, only room for a person to be an extension of your sad ass life.

I do not hate my parents.

I hate what my dad is trying to do in his e-mail, I think it is the epitome of all the twisted and toxic levels of manipulation and coercion relating to obligation and emotional dependance that binds people to tradition, hypocricy and injustice.

what I am doing here is about truth... it is about freedom and it is for everyone.

This, I know, is painfull for you, but you are the ones choosing what is most important to you.

I don't care about your feelings when they are blind defense mechanisms
for what I am fundamentaly opposed to.
If what I say makes you cry, good. I am glad it is finally in your face.
It is only through your constant shutting out of anything other than your static beliefs that you have created this situation.
Your static beliefs that you have so furiously clung to were always the largest authority over and influence on my life, always the reference point for right and wrong, always the reference point for direction in life.

The assumptions that accompanied that, I adopted as my own. as would 99.9999999% of anyone else subject to the same.

I have my own mind now, and I want to share it. If you come on this board, you will see my mind completely uncensored... something that you absolutely never once in your life have sought to know, and anytime it came out a little, you just warn of it's falseness, or the repurcussions of following such a trajectory.

Maybee you don't understand this, but it is true.

When hanging out with you guys on Oahu, we were talking about mangos
and healthy eating, something I greatly appreciate connecting with you guys about, being that it is not a threat like me discussing any spiritual ideas outside of your own.
I remember that this particular conversation ended in "at least food is not the goal of life."
What the faaaark am I supposed to do with that?
I never said it was, and it just is what it is.

On this same trip, my friend and I went to see this speaker on Maui named Wayne Dyer... I asked my Mum if she might want to go, because I thought (naively) that she could relate to what he says, very much distilling the core of religious and other traditions by speaking of connection with your source and alignment of your intention with the qualities of those of your source.

I find a lot of what he says very beautifull and I once saw it as a possible common ground to relate to her or you about spirituality.

I showed you his book and shared a little of some of his writing.

Your reaction was incredibly shut down and you claimed it was "bloody dangerous".

...which, by the way, remains one of my friend Casy and I's favorite sayings...

Whenever we have what we consider to be cool information, we break into an impersonation of you saying "It's bloody dangerous" (use new zealand accent for best result.)

I present the following for all to learn from... if this seems like you, maybee you will think again.
If this seems like your parents, know you are not alone... I will not let what follows cripple me and what I feel is right for me to do.

I know how I really feel about what my father thinks I am ungratefull for, and I am happy to be standing where I am right now.

I guess it all just got a lot more public. I hope that it is a usefull tool for others in their journey to independance and freedom.

Rama,

It pains us to our core that you would so viciously attack the things we hold so dear.

The way you have gone so public about things that are to us so private.

To speak about all that to people that you do not even know.

Why would you just go ahead and spread our family name all over the internet and say all these things with out at least trying to confide in us first.

To call me pathetic I can take but to call your mother, the one that carried you in her worm, that cried her self to sleep at night worrying about your childhood ailments.

The time and energy she spent trying to heal you and raise you healthfully to call her pathetic is one of the worst things you could ever say about her.

To criticize those who have never spoken a bad word about you.

What is the gain on your part?

In one breath you tell us you love us and with the next you try and destroy us.

I did not see anywhere in your messages that you told the world “oh yeah but I still take my pathetic parents money on a regular basis”

We are all born with freedom freewill and independence.

The door is always open for any of us to go do whatever we want in this world.

The rest of your family have made a choice and you have made yours.

The way that you have chosen to publicly criticize us for our choice is indefensible.

What you are saying is really completely lacking any basic self-respect for anyone to choose the way they want to live their life.

I never criticized you to other people personally let alone publicly on the internet.

I have never gone out of my way to criticize you for your choice in life not to follow the path of Bhakti.

Your Brother, Mother or our Spiritual Master has never criticized you because you have not chosen the path of Bhakti.

You are saying we are fools, we are ignorant, we are idiots, we are brainwashed fanatics.

Who is really tolerant and who is the fanatical one here?

The very fact that you would go out of your way to publicly criticize people because you have chosen not to follow the path of life they have chosen to follow.

Especially people that care about you.

The fact that you would do that and publicly criticize people who have never done anything bad to you, we have never done anything wrong to you, we have never

Personally or publicly criticized you for the choices you have made in your life.

Its like you have lost your mind over this, where is there a question of wether or not you even have a conscience about it.

You seem to have become so hard hearted that you have no conscience left.

Your posts on that website you are all making yourselves out to be so dam cool and tolerant but when it comes to your own family you just tear us to pieces in the most public of forums, for the whole world to see.

You should look at your life and look into your heart and see what is wrong because for somebody to attack so viciously those so close is not right.

Your mother and I always gave you the best possible things we could in life according to our circumstances and you go banging on like we dam well abused you.

Like you grew up in a ghetto.

You need to look back at what we gave you as a kid.

We raised you in a house right on one of the most beautiful beaches in the world.

You had loving parents and grand parents around you at all times.

Then we moved to Maui and had a wonderful life.

We know many people all of us that do not chant and if they read this stuff you are saying about us they would be mortified.

Rama I got to tell you our two boys were the centre of our lives for many many years.

Krsna was a side thing.

You talk with your new found internet friends (who by the way you have never meet, do not know and if you think for a minute they care for you and or love you, I would think again) like we forced our beliefs on you.

I raised both our boys with the same basic principal, love them and let them go, let them do what they love.

Laks loved to surf and you loved to skate.

I was not into the American education dream or whatever for our kids, what would be the point.

We gave you so much freedom as a kid.

You have isolated a part of your life and found a forum to turn it into something ugly.

My mind boggles at what you have gone and done.

How did we deserve this.

With Love always,

Mum, Dad and Laks.

We are definitely being watched in Australia as well and I have been brought to the attention of authorities here as a means of intimidation to have me remove my posts from this forum and take my blogs down. [b:265c32b27f]How fanatical is that [/b:265c32b27f] - to try to deprive others who have been there of the right not to wallow glassy eyed in the wake of abuse of Siddha's followers queitly blaming ourselves and still chanting Hare Krishna.

They think we all should be like Lisa Simpson in a particular episode where she says after Bart totally disrespects her and then makes himself to be the victim in the whole affair (the thanksgiving episode) "It is my fault since I failed to take your abuse with good humor."

FFS there must be some book for devotees among the ones that I was not considered good enough to read as to how to respond to criticism.. we are believing in what we want to believe in - you are disrespecting that.. we only tried to help you and be kind to you :roll:

I was abused all my life (not just in the cult) and I came to recognise the seige like mentality very well. People say that sometimes child abusers just can't help it - yet it is obvious to everyone that has been there that they can help it enough to plan execute and conceal their actions. The alarm bells that were installed in me could not stop going off around SOI followers - they know exactly what they are doing and they know it is wrong that is why they conceal the actual purposes of their meditation centres, censor access to Srila Prabhufraud's teachings, and don't want anyone to be able to tell the truth about them. The cult is like a wanted felon with so many aliases and it's followers always retreating into hiding whenever there is the slightest confrontation.

All I have to say is that by your belief I am a blade of grass just like you so I must move with Krishna's approval go and work that one out. If you are hurt and crying over the truth (to those who claim to be because of me) then you are in serious denial, most likely brainwashed by whoever your local super disciple is - (Hi Radha Krishna das) or more into worshipping Siddha than Krishna. Either way you are just wrong. Deal with it as we all had to here or retreat into your cowardice and let us get on with trying to stop others from being sucked into the dark vortex of spiritual abuse that is Science of Identity.

The hatred and judgement that all followers have is obvious. They condemn all that are not with them as being against them - how many times have we heard the criticism of the karmis (ie - everyone who is not a follower of Siddha) from followers and the man himself. Be like soldiers I heard him say but obviously that only refers to going as far as to dig the trenches to hide in. Not one has yet to come forward to refute any of the claims made here on in my blog as being wrong. I have offerred to edit accordingly - hell I will make a public apology here or anywhere else I have spoken if any follower can say that the tales that amount to blatant hypocrisy and evidence that if this is their spiritual life it is an empty cup as Siddha would call it are not true or explain how they are a good thing and I have missed the point. I get whining, threats and abuse but no contradiction. Just like the child molester I knew who was like "Yeah that is what happened, but I thought they wanted it too" Just keep putting the blame into the victims and keep that wheel of abuse turning.

Rama I am sorry for you that you go through this. You are incredibly brave to overcome a lifetime of indoctrination and to get out into the real world and clearly very intelligent and compassionate. I am sure that if you want to spend your time helping others that have been through the same experience as yourself that you will do so very well. I love you because I love everyone even the people in SOI who I am especially sorry for.