Freeatlast! Good to hear from you - and you can send PMs now that you have passed number ten.
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I guess one day she just packed up and left and then some police showed up at the center I don't know for what reason, some people were saying that she had a nervous breakdown or something and that she went back to her hometown, anyway after this happened uddhava was chastised by jagad guru and he made her take down all of his pictures in the temple room and everywhere.
Yes I had a nervous breakdown and went back to my home town too :wink: I think this has happened to a few of the posters here.
I remember "going crazy" being the topic of conversation a while back. It seems to be devotee code for they have stopped thinking of Jagad Guru in terms of anything else than to head for the hills before the disciples start handing out kool-aid.
Note that in accounts of leaving people invariably seem to want to get as far away as possible and don't ever come back for the casual class or to say hi to their friends. Even after a few months in a place, let alone a year or more you start to have some ties there, a home, maybe a job, some interests in the community, friends etc. You have made your life in this place. You have accessed this wonderful lifestyle that disciples are all bright eyed and gushing over the glory of and then just one day you just up and flee. It does seem like crazy behaviour - to anyone that can't (or won't) consider what this cult is all about.
It is strange that devotees rationalise (or I wonder comfort themselves) with the mental breakdown theory when JG says that a mental breakdown is a "gateway to spiritual life" - you have probably seen the booklet?
The police wouldn't have turned up unless someone called them and JGs reaction is very suspicious and a bit creepy.
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I disagree with emntks theory that yoga nidra is a dispicaple practice
What emntk was referring to was not that yoga nidra itself is despicable but that not telling people what it is and encouraging them to practice it without proper understanding of it and the risks that are involved is a despicable practice.
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By not telling people what yoga nidra is at any stage of their SOI membership or how it works and recommending that they practice it at least daily, makes it hugely dangerous on people's minds as it leads to permanent changes in a persons awareness and is an honestly an utterly dispicable practice.
It is the intent that JG has had going back to his Sai days to make people more susceptible to his message. Eventhough as you point out there are benefits to meditation there are also risks and most of these are attributed to how it is taught. When we are talking about a person's consciousness and mental health I would say that most people would consider it careless if not a form of abuse to give someone for example medicine to cure their sickness but not tell them what dose they should take or that there are potentially serious risks involved when they know this but have made up their mind that the medicine is what the person needs.
As related by Danavir Goswami according to ACB when he learned that JG was teaching this in the temple in 1973 - “This is an adulteration, a contamination, it will ruin everything." [
www.dandavats.com]
Deep Peace Meditation (What name do they give to it in California? Did they tell you what it was or did you recognise it from your past experiences?) is not a part of KC.
It is apparently "left handed tantra" wheras KC is "right handed tantra" I was just recently told. The gurus that teach Yoga Nidra to enlightenment are condemned by JG as impersonalists. Again this is not to sugguest that it has no value - just to point out another example that he is a hypocrite.
I have yet to find anyone being exposed to this in SoI besides new people. This is an enquiry to pursue further, but if it is the case as indicated it also strongly sugguests ulterior motives.
If JG was an enlightened soul and surrendered to his spiritual master as he claims to be surely he would teach real yoga and meditation rather than just creating his own versions as he has done with Deep Peace/Psychic Sleep, Gauranga Breathing and Jaya Yoga.
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nice web sight cara! things are really moving along now, keep up the good work!
Thank-you. Without Ash and our benefactor Mr Z it would just be my words put up on a geocities (or a Xanga) until SoI chased it down again.
MAYA (Meditation and Yoga Awareness) that you will see on the site - but the link is not active yet - is a new project to give awareness of what different forms of meditation and yoga are and promote the ability of people in general to make an informed choice. I have seen many people come to ASM to learn and then see the alternate agenda and express feelings of being tricked. I believe that this need not happen and that these practices are worth more than to be associated with the likes of Chris Butler.
SoI is not the only cult that exploits meditation and yoga for recruitment purposes and I agree these are great and healthy practices that many people could benefit from. Falun Goong is a very scary example. There is a lot of information about them here in the database.