Someone has actually taken the trouble to compile this all about sex from a KC perspective which may be of interest.
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I must confess that I have not picked up my Gita for a while but knowing that it is a more scholarly language translation, making it closer to what the original text actually says (more as it is than 'As It Is' :lol: ) published by the Theosophical Publishing House, first edition, 1905 and does not take the interprative liberties of puports I couldn't find a single mention of the term 'illicit sex'.
Just as an example of how interpretative ACB translations are...
Cross referencing Gita sites on illicit sex apparently one of the verses relevant to it is 4:26
Some pour as sacrifice, hearing and the other senses into the fires of restraint;some pour sound and the other objects of the sense into the fires of the senses as sacrifice;
The ACB translation and porport to this is
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Some [the unadulterated brahmacārīs] sacrifice the hearing process and the senses in the fire of mental control, and others [the regulated householders] sacrifice the objects of the senses in the fire of the senses.
PURPORT
The members of the four divisions of human life, namely the brahmacārī, the gṛhastha, the vānaprastha and the sannyāsī, are all meant to become perfect yogīs or transcendentalists. Since human life is not meant for our enjoying sense gratification like the animals, the four orders of human life are so arranged that one may become perfect in spiritual life. The brahmacārīs, or students under the care of a bona fide spiritual master, control the mind by abstaining from sense gratification. A brahmacārī hears only words concerning Kṛṣṇa consciousness; hearing is the basic principle for understanding, and therefore the pure brahmacārī engages fully in harer nāmānukīrtanam — chanting and hearing the glories of the Lord. He restrains himself from the vibrations of material sounds, and his hearing is engaged in the transcendental sound vibration of Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa. Similarly, the householders, who have some license for sense gratification, perform such acts with great restraint. Sex life, intoxication and meat-eating are general tendencies of human society, but a regulated householder does not indulge in unrestricted sex life and other sense gratification. Marriage on the principles of religious life is therefore current in all civilized human society because that is the way for restricted sex life. This restricted, unattached sex life is also a kind of yajña because the restricted householder sacrifices his general tendency toward sense gratification for higher, transcendental life.
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Even in his own translation there is no words meaning the clarifying terms in square brackets in the original text.
All very much subject to interpretation - and rather fanciful interpretation at that since there are actually quite a few references to sex in the scriptures, but when it comes to giving out direct instructions it would appear that there was no specific word for it in the language :roll:
[i:2cdd8d32a1]Therefore let Scripture be thy authority, in determining what ought to be done, or what ought not to be done. Knowing what hath been declared by the ordinances of the sastra though oughtest to work in this world.[/i:2cdd8d32a1] 16.24
[i:2cdd8d32a1]But if the question should arise:'What is Sastra and what is not Sastra, what is good Sastra and what is bad Sastra, is this Sriptire true or that other contradictory Scripture right, which to believe?', then the answer must be and can only be, Krishna expressly says the final judge, in the the last resort, is the person's (own, because Universal Self and Reason), and Sastras are only the outcome of this intelligence. The following verses from Mahabharata, supply the needed commentary on these Gita Verses :
That is, "Krishna has created the Sastras, sciences, enunciating laws as well as exceptions after deep meditation. Therefore men should discriminate between right and wrong with the help of reason. Buddhi, intellect, which cognises all three, past, present and future is the very Self and Soul of man and is his final refuge." ch 254
And Pancatantra verse-proverb, quintessence of wisdom clinches the whole argument thus : "How can Sastra help him that has no intelligence? The looking glass is of no use to the person without eyes[/i:2cdd8d32a1]"
Of course all this talk about applying reason does not have any place within SOI where one accepts the words of Siddha as absolute and applying one's own reasoning would be deemed blasphemous in the extreme.
One key aspect of Siddha's teachings that I have never grasped and no one among his followers was ever able to explain to me is where it is scriptually supported that one must have a living spiritual master. The closest relevant reference to this is apparently that one cannot approach Krishna themselves but must go through a bonafide representative.
It says that one should surrender submissively and serve him, but no where does it define service as washing his dishes, piloting his jet or scrubbing the floors in his mansion. There were written teachings which included instruction from Caitanya onwards - and yet still there is a need for more??