Culthusiast Wrote:
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> Some good puranic news for Japa das Joseph Bismark
> and Vijay Eswaran:
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> 28 Deadly Punishments Mentioned in Garuda Puran of
> Hinduism
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> [desinema.com]
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Sucimukham(Tortured by needles)
> CRIME: Not doing good and amassing wealth by wrong
> doings and stealing wealth, not buying
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> PENALTY: Stinging with nails and torturing with
> hunger and thirst, constantly pricked and pierced
> by needles
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Bodhayan has spoken at SIF centers before and a number of SIF devotees take siksa form him already. You know, how could they not when their own guru has been MIA since the 80s pretty much.

From Bodhayana's website where he is being touted as a "Mentor to help you experience "YOU""...

"64 Rounds is the minimum criteria given by Mahaprabhu that, if you want His service, then you must chant 64 rounds"

I don't think butler or his followers have ever chanted this many rounds collectively in their entire lives...

Bodhayan lives off rich disciples. He flies around and gives simplistic talks about "chant and be happy" and eats free food. He was born and raised in vaishnavism and has known nothing else his entire life. His guru, Puri maharaj, was a born brahmin. These groups were in dire conflict with ISKCON for years. ISKCON still forbids their followers from associating with the Gaudiya math. Bhaktivednata had little friendly things to say about his godbrothers.

To feel their nostalgic connection and pretend they were somehow going deeper into their spiritual practice, some ISKCON gurus broke off to follow Shridhara and Puri maharaj and Narayan and others. In most cases this simply created more division and arguments for years among gaudiyas. They argued about the orgi of the jiva, the meaning of the later cantos of bhagavatam. about diksha and shiksha, falling from vaikuntha, how many rounds to chant, how much and what type of service was most important and who was a kanistha, madhyam and uttama adhikari. among many other pointless arguments. Maybe you should just get a job and think for yourself. Just an idea.

If you read the many quotes online from Bodhayan maharaj or watch any lecture of his, it's very simplistic Vaishnava preaching. He's not a philosopher or major-thinking preacher. He was born and raised hearing the myths and it was drilled in his head to serve his old guru and chant, so that is what he does. Most of his lectures are unintelligible to the English-speaking public. Bless you if you can sit through his lecture and get something useful out of it besides "chant and be happy" rhetoric.

In the end this cult, SIF or Gaudiya Math et al, all boils down to one thing: They think that god came to this planet 500 years ago in some small remote are of India. They think that a mantra barely mentioned even in one scripture is the great savior of humanity that will "clean your heart and give you love of god". They believe in medieval myths as literal facts. The final and ultimate goal of their spiritual practice is to realize that you are a 12-year-old cow-herd girl who helps god and his girlfriend have sex for eternity. That is literally the depth of their philosophy in a nutshell. everything else they try to sell you on like you being a spirit soul or being ethical, doing some rituals etc—all religions have this, Hell, all self-help programs have it. In the meantime, they otherwise promote conservative, often very closed-minded and non-critical thought patterns.

RUN.

RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> Bodhayan lives off rich disciples. He flies around
> and gives simplistic talks about "chant and be
> happy" and eats free food.

Looks like that.

> In the end this cult, SIF or Gaudiya Math et al,
> all boils down to one thing: They think that god
> came to this planet 500 years ago in some small
> remote are of India. They think that a mantra
> barely mentioned even in one scripture is the
> great savior of humanity that will "clean your
> heart and give you love of god". They believe in
> medieval myths as literal facts. The final and
> ultimate goal of their spiritual practice is to
> realize that you are a 12-year-old cow-herd girl
> who helps god and his girlfriend have sex for
> eternity.

At least one can say about the concept of this philosophy that full freedom is not true and that worldly conditioning influences "transcendental preferences". If one is a brahmacari, it is easier to situate oneself as a cowherd-girl in solitude and be interested in kamanuga-bhakti. However, when one is a parent with affection and attachment for children, one will be more inclined towards sambandha-bhakti. So in that sense, the narrative in SIF was false. And many other aspects. For example, how C. Butler criticized local ISKCON gurus. Without completely discussing the topic of the local recognized brahmana what is in Hari-Bhakti-vilasa. Not to mention the question of why Gopala-Bhata Gosvami was helping in Hari-Bhakti-vilasa. The beginnings are an image game, recruiting a rebellious egotic yoga adept. Another untrue aspect is the meaning of the lower nature. Hari-Bhakti-vilasa also refutes this in this philosophy. Or a post with different pictures, different forms of Krishna. Rasa-abhasa.

When one reads i.e. Haridasa Sastriji Maharaja - there is completnes in the effort to discuss subjects..

> That is literally the depth of their
> philosophy in a nutshell.

Well, someone might want to exist as a space slime. And it's an existential scheme. To perceive. To act. And something else? Dissolve in Brahman? And why not like forest mist? What is the difference between being immersed in Brahman and dissolving as forest mist. The proposal may be interesting....

Another issue is Indian sentiment. They are nice, colorful, but after all, Bhagvan or Vasudeva-Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita says that His opulences are unlimited. Maybe some other atmosphere?

Either way, it can be accepted philosophically that it is actually in an area like Earth and not, for example, Venus with sulfuric acid that is needed to achieve manjari moods. That one external condition affects internal processes. In sulfuric acid, the mood is more hellish. Moving within philosophy and double psychology. Others may say it's schizophrenia. But you know - everyone thinks for himself.



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But as for mystical experiences in the Mission or practice experiences, I've had some but they weren't very "bhakti". Which may, at least within philosophy, confirm that chanting gives liberation, but not more without initiation, etc. Some of my experiences can be considered that possibly perceiving Hawaiian post-drug consciousness - dark Buddhist nothingness, feeling like a soul in the root of a tree - I clearly perceived what the stakeholders themselves they were not aware. Different yogic aspects but not winds, not perception of energy channels but already chakras - sooner. Meanwhile, when I visited one of the sanyasis in His ashram, the "sphurti" appeared quickly.

Twice the feeling of wanting to break through to Brahman, but the road is closed... They must have really wanted to free themselves at some point...

As for states other than action and perception, of course one can refer to the Buddhist "spontaneous presence." Avoiding Sidpaipbardo by breaking through alive and gaining stability in that state...

64 rounds? Never. Maximum 32. Mood like after kirtana, but short-lived.

Dark nothingness.. Experienced 3-4 times. Indeed in the state chanting maha-mantra caused vision of expansion of singing devotees (sankirtan) which of course can be interpreted as a collapse of the nervous system, borderline of deadly inactivity, a schizophrenic condition or a problem with neurotransmitters whose thinking or chanting a mantra in the mind has electrically aroused into existence and out of the dark nothingness...

You can also relate all this to the level of the "guru". Tusta Krishna das was inspiring at first, Siddhaswarupananda too, but Balakhilya das had a sense of enslavement from the beginning. His reading and translation of the Bhagavad Gita was confusing, misunderstanding, his energy is heavy. Recruitment MLM amalgam, the feeling that he is hiding something - he ate meat? an alcoholic? Maharajas like Narayana Maharaja or Sastriji Maharaja - another level.

I had more "bhakti" experiences when perceiving the local old group of Jews or Jehovah's Witnesses. Not today's ones with the Bible like the civil or criminal code, but with deep faith and actual attraction. Fear of God, but not fear. They drank the water of life. Jehovah, not Krishna, maybe closer to Vasudeva but more to Rama, just not Hindu folklore but existential depth. Or perceiving God's perfection of creation. At the same time, the moods of shepherds or manjari seem infantile.

C.Butler MIA? A married paramahamsa defeated by a Chinese or maybe Filipino-Vietnamese wife who ate mushrooms and maybe put some Chinese specialties on him. Mushrooms? Or maybe cricket powder.



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Attached document reveals how Queen Bee used CB and SoI funds to turn all three of her children into MOVIE STARS! How "corny" is that?

Much money was wasted ... much time was wasted ... law suits! BAD VIBES all around!

Haribol!

Devotees always claim that there are words in Sanskrit that have no translation in the English language. That somehow due to this purported lacking, this is the result of many devotees not understanding scripture properly and why the scriptures have been translated in so many different ways without agreeing on any single one point.

Well I think other languages besides Sanskrit which nobody understands anyway and speaks or uses in any meaningful format, do just fine explaining phenomenons.

The word of the day to describe this cult and any offshoots of the gaudiya vaishnava Hari Krishna whatever the f*** you want to call it movement:

Conspirituality.

I guess devotees are really getting bent out of shape about the oppenheimer movie. I guess there's a scene in the movie where he's having sex and it involves the gita, which he apparently had some sort of fascination for. You know, because there's no shortage of Hindu temples depicting all manner of sex and scriptural verses speaking of all types of sex acts with both humans of same sexes as well as animals and all manner of other sex related obsession. A few weeks ago they couldn't get their head around the new indian Adipurush movie, featuring their green monkey Army commanding God,Rama. You can't win. Religious fanatics cry when an ant farts a mile away.

Oppenheimer, just another human being, under the direction of the government, was instrumental in creating one of the most Mass weapons of Destruction. His inspiration was apparently the Bhagavad Gita. Do the math. Then you have Hitler's fascination with the Gita as well. Do the math. Aside from the gita being one of the most widely read books in india, guess which comes as the second bestseller? Mein kampf by hitler. Who prabhupada felt was "not so bad". Now you have tulsi gabbard easily swapping sides to be a republican, who she was for years. A political party hell bent on division, guns, trumping basic rights and, well money. The same money her advocates, followers and cult fanbase freely donates so that her guru, Chris butler, can live in his sheltered bubble.

In other news, also telling, Barbie broke the box office, and no bellord/butler flick even made it close. Let's hope that gabbard gets taken with the same .00001 voting interest as last time.

Run.

Sense I get is that in the Vedic culture beloved by Prabhupada and Butler, power = legitimacy.

You have power because you accumulated enough karma in previous lives. Whether you gained that power legitimately or not, whether you exercise that power justly or unjustly, is irrelevant.

A Hitler is Energy in personal form, as amoral as a supernova, an erupting volcano, an earthquake, a pandemic, a python squeezing the breath, mucus and shit out of its living, expiring prey.

Might does not make right; might IS right.

Doesn't matter whether power is used benevolently or atrociously; power is its own justification.

Quite different from the Judeo Christian prophetic message which distinguishes between righteous just exercise of power, protecting the widow, the orphan, the poor and oppressed versus power atrociously deployed.

Power corrupts. Apparently, power in a sect also corrupts. Interestingly, it is supported "theoretically" in the Bhagavatam - 6 canto - clearly written that assuming the role of a preacher deprives some of the brahminical achievements. When one reads the commentary on the Bhagavatam and compares it with the mood of A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami's dialogues, there is a marked difference in mood, precision, etc. Commentaries written in the Damodara Temple.

The Indians liked Hitler because he was a challenge to the British. The enemy of our enemy is our friend. East India Company, robbery, slavery, colonialism. Interestingly, other East India companies are not mentioned, and there were several.

Justifying the individual at the top of the killing machine is interesting as far as the Vedic philosophy says that the head is responsible for 1/7 of karma. So whether Hitler was good or not that bad, the Vedic scriptures themselves say that he had to take 1/7th of the karma for the citizens. Can be extended to the victims of your regime. 1/7 karma for each SS murderer, kapo in Konzentration-Lager, Ilse Koch, Heinrich Himmler, Franz Kutschera (and no, he was shot, so he was executed, so he was cleared), etc.

Tulsi Gabbard feels equally justified in serving the one true "guru", he is pleased with her, proud, and meanwhile she has received grants 3 times from Planned Parenthood.

Chris, what part of 350,000 abortions per year are you responsible?

By the way, Jurgen Stroop, responsible for slaughter during Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (1st uprising - Jewish).







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