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> 8. HARIBOL NITAI-GAUR MEDITATION | Balakhilya.com
> The mantras are: This time we are going to sing
> the mantras. But first let's pronounce them as we
> did at the beginning just to make sure we can do
> it correctly. Ok, everybody ready? HARIBOL
> NITAI-GAUR NITAI-GAUR HARIBOL GOPALA GOVINDA RAMA
> MADANA-MOHANA Ok, good.
Balakhilya das wants to be correct so much? Why then he does not wear tilaka on his forehead during lectures? Only lectures. Not all the time. Only the time he supposedly represents Parampara....
> First of all: Haribol is not a mantra. It's a
> phrase. It means to chant the name of the god
> Hari. Nitai Gaur is not a mantra either. It cannot
> be found in any vedic or puranic scripture as such
> and at best it qualifies as a "bhajan", a
> sentimental sing-song for devotees of the
> so-called incarnation of "god"(s) Krishna and
> Balarama some 500 years ago in Bengal.
That is an argument.
> Second, these "mantras" were speculated and
> adopted by Siddhaswaripananda/Butler as a way to
> avoid singing "Hare Krishna" in public so as not
> to associate his group with ISKCON. That is all.
> This is the only reason. A partisan, sectarian
That is interesting. That's what Caitanya wanted was congregational chanting of Maha Mantra.
> Finally, Hare Krishna is also not found in any
> scripture besides ONE very unlikely Upanishad that
> is really only recognized by Gaudy Vaishnavas. Any
> other mention of it is also only in books only
> accepted by Gaudiyas.
That's their choice.
> I'll tell you what. It's called cult dynamics.
Yes, you can see deviations and changes in philosophy, rituals or behavior. Existing term - prakrita sahajiya.
> Hare Krishna started 500 years ago. By the time
> the so-called Goswamis died, the religion fell
> apart. It was resurrected by Bhaktivinode and his
> son. Mostly based on claims they made based on
> their dreams.
As Bhaktivinod Thakur admitted, he was inspired by the teachings of Jesus Christ as well.
What is interesting is the fact that Hari-bhakti-vilasa (Worship of Hari) Gopala Bhatta Goswamin was the co-author of this book (written on the order of Caitanya Mahaprabhu). It describes the rituals and norms of behavior of devotees of Krishna. The order was for Sanatana Goswami.
> Today, Hare Krishna is nothing more than a garden
> variety religious faction movement hiding under
> the label of "hindu". Hinduism is a sectarian
> religion. Its' gods, stories and ideology is
> firmly based int he historical sects and beliefs
> of India. The very god Krishna is a cow-loving god
> wearing Indian clothes, living in an Indian
> village and speaking an Indian language. Current
> day adherents of Puranic Hinduism make up the
> majority of what we call Hindus and Hindu
> Nationalists. Hinduism and its various sub-sects
> are relevant to India. Not to the world at large.
One should also consider emigration or jasyr after the Battle of Kosovo.
> Their cultural relevents and significance are
> squalor within India. and it's arguable how much
> good it is really doing for India as a whole at
> this point and time in history. Most intelligent
> young people in India are moving passed it and
> hate that their country is plagued by it. That is
> a fact. That it has cultural roots that go deep in
> India is largely a plague on the life of the
> average Indian today. Politically and socially it
> has few if any redeeming qualities.
No doubt India has experienced many stages or incidents of destruction. While Alexander the Great stopped and Hindu and Greek cultures intertwined (i.e. Bhaktria), Muslims invaded India and caused many changes. Then there were the British and their East India Company.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/04/2023 03:24PM by Culthusiast.