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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: February 06, 2021 02:02AM

Truth wins Wrote:
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> And not to forget the kids of the so called
> advanced devotees. They get special treatment and
> even they break all regulative principles, they
> are still welcomed.


One person told me a story when a daughter of "one of the advanced" is sick or has a serious problem. A group of devotees organized and went to support this person. You know, empathy, motivation, Samaritan going out of his way. I don't remember whether it was with medicines or money. On the spot, it turned out that the leader's daughter had painted herself and was getting ready to go to the disco ...

> Let us not forget that the cult of personality
> does not only apply to Butler but also to the so
> called advanced devotees.

True.

> After the special advanced devotees, the ones that
> everybody look up to are those who are the most
> surrendered, talented, useful...

Or rich. Dear teddy bears, what is the symptom of attraction or tendency to select a new leader from the group to the council, board, etc. who is organized and rich? According to philosophy - mode of passion ...

That's not satvic, unfortunatelly...

> Meaning those who work day and night on projects.
> It is not so much a spiritual community. At times
> it feels more like Hollywood.

They are so advanced that they may no longer follow Bhagavad Gita - the balance of work and rest. If you remind them, they will tell you that you are doing a wicked thing, because you use the Holy Scriptures in your vile actions ...


> Those kind of connections and who is who is more a
> show business mentality.

True



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: IanKoviak ()
Date: February 08, 2021 11:30AM

Butler gave a series of lectures about the mind (you know, like over 40 years ago) and how he read some scientific article about people who lived with no brains and that this was somehow proof that the mind is not the brain (and thereby not the seat of consciousness). I read about these cases of so called "no brainers" and it was total bullshit. The people had brains but their brains were thinned out by cranial fluid, a disorder that actually causes many problems and eventually death. This is the doctor who studied it that Butler references in the lecture: [en.m.wikipedia.org]

Butler and Bhaktivedanta loved conspiracy theories like this because it allowed them to sound intelligent and as if they are well informed about science. The fact that Butler thinks that lining his home interior with tin foil is healthy or remotely normal should be a red flag to any mildly sane follower. No matter what words of so called wisdom he may spew on rare occasion. Definitely not worshippable by any stretch.

These so-called spiritual Masters loved bashing women, black people, science, gays, and other religious groups. They loved denying the holocaust, praising hitler, Claiming the moon landing was a hoax (because the moon is further away and larger than the sun and covered in kusha grass or whatever). They made baseless claims, held unsupported theories and sugar coated their ignorance by peddling feel good tales about the krishna God.

In the leaked video where butler slams homosexuals and suggests that if they stopped fucking each other in the ass then AIDS would stop, one can immediately see the conspiracy theories about AIDS that were propagated in the 80s and 90s. It's almost laughable his lack of knowledge and supposed yoga master status he accepts as a title. His knowledge of yoga or the veda could be reduced to a handful of verses yet he's ready to accept the title of Paramahamsa. The complete lack of humility and blatant arrogance his life represents is indicative of the quality of followers he attracts and maintains. The only thing that he can do to attract people is peddle yoga nidra techniques that have nothing to do with Gaudiya vaishnava practice or teachings.

Butler used fake science and charisma to have his followers virtue signal about all sorts of things while asking them to surrender to him and believe in a blue playboy god who lifted a hill with his pinky to protects his village from the rain god Indra.

Butler thinks it's better for his followers kids to be taught myths as fact and live a life of self deprecation in his schools in the Philippines run by his fanatical devotees than to live with their parents and learn to be a part of society in a meaningful way.

I wonder how many of the devotee parents nowadays would send their kids to a butler gurukula... Probably not one. Even the guys I went to the school with would opt out. The fact is that we live in a time where these types of groups need to increasingly isolate themselves from the rest of the world in order to function. They can't preach without being exposed as hypocrites and uneducated. Butler gave lectures against so many topics while his disciples sat and laughed and mindlessly agreed with him. They never bothered to research what he was talking about, how it was relevant and applicable etc.

Little kids being told their body and mind are not who they are is not just useless to them, but damaging as well. It immediately creates a lie that they tell themselves but holds no water. Their life is spent thinking of themselves as some abstract soul and that thier true "spiritual form" is that of a cowheard maidservant if the amorouse couple, Radha and Krishna. Radha is not even mentioned in all thier scriptures. The original vedas don't even mention krishna. vishnu is a side dirty in most of the 4 original vedas.

Butler devotees don't care to study thier own scriptures let alone follow them. Casteism is a huge component of vedic dharma writings. Even the Gita. And Butler and the like are ultimately enacting a type of brahmanism 2.0. Were they position themselves and a few appointed, select and approved "brahmans" at the top of the hierarchical structure of the group and everybody else is expected to fall in line and perform their duty without attachment. And of course, in practice, this has never been shown to be remotely successful. The proof is in all of the splinter gaudiya vaishnava groups existing today.

Butler always preached that a true spiritual Master should be self-effulgent and self-evident. Yet he has spent a considerable amount of time "protecting" his followers from seeking inspiration and guidance from other groups and teachers. oftentimes to the tune of him losing complete composure, swearing and cursing and freaking out and pouting.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: IanKoviak ()
Date: February 08, 2021 11:57AM


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: February 08, 2021 03:45PM

Quote:"It is not so much a spiritual community. At times it feels more like Hollywood.
Those kind of connections and who is who is more a show business mentality."

'Truth Wins'-
It has always been that way: $$ + power. It was never a spiritual movement.
The more $$ you could give to Butler, the better you were treated.

The family of the poor guy who was in a terrible car accident, and whose friends are now asking for donations, will probably never see a dime from Butler.
Interesting that a large portion of the donors have Polish names.
The family name is an American name but the wife is a Polish devotee.
The young husband is in serious condition with severe injuries.

I feel bad for these people, Someone should have told them that their devotional service, for the benefit of Butler, would never include any health insurance.
Very sad.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: February 08, 2021 07:33PM

VoxVeritasVita Das Wrote:
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> 'Truth Wins'-
> It has always been that way: $$ + power. It was
> never a spiritual movement.

> The more $$ you could give to Butler, the better
> you were treated.

A former member of SIF Poland told me a story about "spiritual hospitality". Once upon a time he was a passenger of another SIF member and on the way they joined one of the initiates, I think generation 1.5, the owner of a small manufacture at the time. Devotee the driver had some business to discuss. Devotee, the Manufactory Owner, saw the passenger. What was the reaction?

In greeting he asked him - "Are you looking for a job?"

You know, Vedic hospitality and openness. Guest at home, cash at home. Because not Slavic or Polish.

The devotee-passenger replied, "Well it depends on how much you pay." The bidder was said to be a bit confused and upset ....

After some time, poetry began to follow the mechanisms and emotions in a phenomenal manner.

In Polish "bhakta nie bhakta licza sie fakta", in translation "A devotee not a devotee count the fact." What was then creatively modified in "A devotee not a devotee count files". "Bhakta nie bhakta licza sie akta".

Another story is when an initiated person, probably the 2.5 generation, noticed some error or mistake and decided to discipline the uninitiated sheep in one of the centers. The person approached and, in a sinister, insidious mood, raised her voice to about 50%, exerting quick pressure, asked "You haven't hear peeing in your heart, huh?" Philosophically speaking, this was to refer to the Supersoul. Unfortunately, the mood of this intervention indicated more that we should expect someone to be Chestburster ...



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: February 08, 2021 07:52PM

VoxVeritasVita Das Wrote:
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> Interesting that a large portion of the donors
> have Polish names.
> The family name is an American name but the wife
> is a Polish devotee.
> The young husband is in serious condition with
> severe injuries.

It's good people help. Nevertheless, the past cannot be erased. Especially repressed or not closed with an apology. In Catholicism, there is confession, resolution, penance and satisfaction. Such a standard. In any case, in case of attempts to erase the past or falsify it, we will help not to forget it.



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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: February 15, 2021 08:23PM

A.Tibby with his next lecture, i.e. a continuation of the style and depth not going far beyond the hallmarks of impersonalism.

But why this post - hear words and see the gesture:

20:50 - "My friend here - Paramahamsa das". Pitty, no sweet words for Bronco ...

[youtu.be]

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