Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: November 08, 2020 12:51AM

New webinar:


The quote is:

“The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, a sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen.”
Dr. Elisabeth Kübler-Ross (Death: The Final Stage of Growth, 1975)

The webinar will be by .... HappyMan. Always happy. No job, no obligations, free.

The stuff is of the best quality.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: November 17, 2020 05:14AM

One of the fans or activists recently published a quote on FB - the words:

“The motivating force behind youthful suicide is lack of love at home, feelings of abandonment, or an overwhelming sense of aloneness and rejection.”~Jagad Guru (Chris Butler) Siddhaswarupananda Paramahamsa Prabhupada.

My question is - how is it possible that Kasia committed suicide during a retreat in the best sect in the world?

After all, she had the opportunity to meet good company, listen to enlightening lectures of the one recognized in the world, still unknown that time under the pseudonym, but already HappyMan, eat a vegetarian meal or have some free time in a meditation program?

What failed? Lack of love at home? No...Forget homes, do not serve the materialists. Feelings of abandonment? On the retreat? Cannot be..Overwhelming sense of aloneness and rejection... Wait a minute...

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Re: Krishna group in Hawaii
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: November 29, 2020 05:05AM

Hi Everybody,

I started to read the thread from the first page. I like the post below very much (fragments)

bgteacher Wrote:
> Jagad Guru teaches that our relationship with God
> is a personal one. It has nothing to do with
> belonging to a particular church, temple, mosque,
> synagogue, religion, sect or cult; but has
> everything to do with going deep within ourselves
> in meditative prayer to understand how to truly
> love God and all His children.

Personal? Personal? It was so personal that when an instruction or a wish to worship 3D Deities appeared in Poland, an ex-benevolent leader immediately appeared who would order the Deities in bulk. We understand each other - an individual attraction to the Form of the Lord ... To the uncomfortable question of who is the originator of this idea (violating the individuality of the relationship) - silence ...

> He teaches the same essential message as the
> Bible, Bhagavad Gita, and Koran; use this life,
> this body, in the loving service of God,
> dedicating all your actions to Him, and you will
> feel fulfilled.

Ask Yudi about his methods. If Yudi is so modest that he won't talk about his methods and attitude towards hard-working people, we'll do it for him.

> We are all individuals, we each apply these
> teachings as best we can in our own circumstances.
> We get together with like-minded friends to
> encourage each other and help each other where we
> can.

Individuals? No, no .. We are a herd of cattle that activists had to herd to work. Love bombing in stocks.

> I have read some posts here that say the
> “organization” is “secretive”, and “hard to get
> into”.

No secrets? Ah ... Many members of the former SIF Poland until 2020 did not know about the existence of the Prince, about the incidents in the brahmacari school, about the sale of a temple in Hawaii without A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami's knowledge, about Curly Dave ...

> Sure there are some organizational names
> registered with government agencies to facilitate
> the distribution of literature and recorded
> lectures, but that is the extent of it.

Organizations work alone. Of course, no one is one of them. Because of being a clergyman, no one has paid or justified health or social insurance. No one...

I like this stuff. Is of the best quality :)

> Sure there are some organizational names
> registered with government agencies to facilitate
> the distribution of literature and recorded
> lectures, but that is the extent of it.

... what about, what about, what about ..... cars ???

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/29/2020 05:16AM by Culthusiast.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: IanKoviak ()
Date: December 04, 2020 01:14AM

Keep reading baba. It's chalk full of exposes and it's often only the surface of what butler had many of his closest followers do for him in the name of the blue God.

It will all come out. Many of his followers are becoming disenchanted. The core teachings are fine if they help people. but in general it's a personality cult through and through. Always was from the start.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: December 05, 2020 10:22AM

Ian, personality cult with a criminal bent to it.

Absolutely, the truth will come out.
...and with it, justice for Sri Shim.

Mathew 7:15
"Beware of false prophets,
who come to you in sheep's clothing (or dhotis),
but inwardly, they are ravenous wolves.

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Re: Krishna group in Hawaii
Posted by: DaWatcher ()
Date: December 13, 2020 04:02AM


Back here. Interesting post:


gigi_c Wrote:
> The result of these teachings is that
> Siddhaswarupananda has students throughout the
> world who are engaged in all kinds of different
> activities in life. So it is not surprising that
> some of his students are involved in business or
> in politics or in other things which other people
> in the world are normally involved in.
> In this sense Siddhaswarupananda’s students are
> like those Christians or Mormons or Muslims or
> Buddhists who live in the world and try to apply
> their spiritual values in their daily life and
> occupation.
> I’m just wondering why some people consider this
> philosophy of life so sinister?

This is another example of SIF's storytelling style. Political involvement is considered normal. It would therefore be appropriate to confront shortly this with the Vaisnava philosophy itself.

1. Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakur emphasizes the "party-like" mentality as dangerous (it becomes dangerous when the party mentality shifts to a sense of belonging to a religious group - imperceptibly and the consequences of this).

2. Sanatana Goswami and Rupa Goswami were politically engaged personalities in the Sultan's court.

"On the death of his father, Sanatana was forced to take up the post of Sakara Mallik (treasurer) to the new ruler of Bengal, Alauddin Hussein Shah (ruled 1493–1519), while his brother Rupa was given the post of Dabir- i-khas (private secretary). "


They both left the service to follow Caitanya Mahaprabhu.

3. Caitanya Mahaprabhu as sanyasin avoided meeting with King Prataparudra (mundane affairs).

4. A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami emphasized that the core of the activity is distributing prasada, chanting the Holy Name and selling publications. Other supporting activities are secondary and must not become the core.

On the other hand, getting involved in politics means compromises. It is impossible to maintain spiritual values t??here. It ends up belonging to a party accepting abortion or creating a political image, where Tulsi Gabbard suddenly claims in public that the core of teachings of Caitanya Mahaprabhu was karma yoga, when Siddhaswarupananda himself emphasized in his lectures that congragational chanting the Holy Name was at the heart.

There are evidence on the internet, Sweeties.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/13/2020 04:02AM by DaWatcher.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: December 13, 2020 04:15PM

Ian- please check your PM's


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Date: December 18, 2020 10:14AM

The Cult of Butler-
the gift that keeps on giving. Much like, well you know...

“The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”

And the Evil One has his minions to carry out his twisted and hateful agenda.

Latest orders from the great Grand Poobahfraud himself, given to his loyal political puppet Tulsi:

Lee Cataluna: Tulsi Gabbard Reveals She's Been Tulsi Gabbard The Whole Time
The departing Hawaii congresswoman’s discriminatory bill is a reminder of who she’s always been."

"There’s that famous last scene in the ’90s movie “The Usual Suspects” where a meek petty-criminal-turned-informant, played by Kevin Spacey, leaves the police station after spinning a very detailed story for the detectives.
Spacey’s character, Verbal Kint, talks about the larger-than-life Keyser Soze, a ruthless and mysterious crime lord who is feared by all. As Spacey’s character leaves the police interview, his whole physicality changes, and it becomes clear that his story was a fabrication, and that he is actually the villain himself.
The penultimate line of the movie is this: “The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist.”

That scene of walking away, dropping all pretenses and revealing true character is like Tulsi Gabbard as she leaves congress. She has been saying all this time that she had a change of heart about LBGTQ people so that she could be elected in a blue, progressive state; but here she goes, morphing into her real self as she heads off to other plans and schemes. It looks like she was spinning a tale the entire time.
Last week, Gabbard co-sponsored a bill that would ban trans women and girls from participating in female sports in any educational program or activity that receives federal funding. She even had the gall to invoke the name of Title IX champion Congresswoman Patsy Mink in her attack, as if Mink, too, would have backed this garbage.

On Twitter, Gabbard said, “Title IX was created out of a recognition of a biological distinction between men and women, and the need to make sure women and girls have equal opportunities to compete on a level playing field in sports. My bill upholds the original intent of Title IX, and strengthens it. That’s all.”
No it’s not.
The original intent of Title IX was to give equal opportunities, to expand opportunities, not to exclude anyone. It was the opposite of exclusion. It was opening doors, not closing them.

Gabbard makes it seem like trans people are some sort of threat to non-trans people, and that cis girls need physical protection from trans girls. The idea of protecting females from situations they are perfectly capable of navigating by themselves is an excuse for really bad laws and decisions throughout history.
Gabbard’s bill sounds like a solution in search of a problem. 
GLAAD’s Alex Schmider put it this way in Time: “Rep. Gabbard’s harmful and unnecessary bill is not about protecting girls and women’s sports. There’s no evidence in the 18 states with policies that allow transgender athletes to participate on teams consistent with their gender identity that inclusion negatively impacts athletic programs.”
For many American kids, participating in sports is how they learn to try their best regardless of the circumstances, how to lose gracefully and win humbly. It’s where they learn the beautiful skills of teamwork. It’s where young athletes hear lectures about character, and how that means treating others with respect, acceptance and inclusion.
If there are disparities in abilities, as there are with any sport for a multitude of reasons, learning to work and play with others is part of being a good sport. It is part of all those great leadership and citizenship lessons that this country loves about youth sports.

It also should be pointed out how insulting it is to say unequivocally that women can’t compete unless all contingencies are carefully controlled, and that cis girls are inherently weaker than everyone assigned the male gender at birth. Gabbard would have America believe that cis females, by virtue of that second X chromosome, are always the weaker sex, which is really galling from a woman who wears the uniform, trains beside men, and has proudly touted her military experience.
Should there be a special girls’ Army for the ladies who just aren’t tough enough to do what men can do? Of course not. That’s ridiculous. There are more and more female athletes who want to compete with men, and against men. There are more and more female athletes who do. Gabbard managed to be awful to a whole rainbow of womanhood all at once.

But of course, this bill will go nowhere and has nothing to do with protecting women and girls. The one sure thing Gabbard never wavers on is her belief in herself and her celebrity trajectory.  She will say whatever she needs to say to ensure her future as a name-only Democrat with weird, fringe conservative opinions perfectly packaged for cable news in search of new things to love to hate.
But really, this is classic Gabbard. Her signature move is to seek controversy and then call the outraged reactions “reactionary.”  She’s leaving Congress, dropping all pretenses, and leaning hard into the headline-grabbing crack-pottery that has been her stock in trade all along."

~ You can take the girl out of the cult, but you cant take the cult out of the girl~

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: Culthusiast ()
Date: December 18, 2020 10:26PM

VoxVeritasVita Das Wrote:

~ You can take the girl out of the
> cult, but you cant take the cult out of the
> girl~

True, true....

And what about the the case of undue money? Some news?

The most important fundamental existential question - "Where is the f*****g money !??!

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: CultKid85 ()
Date: December 21, 2020 12:48PM

Good morning forum, hope you are all doing well this year. I thought I might write an update to how everyones favorite pyramid scheme cult is functioning.

The initiated disciples are morose with anger and fear after the defeat of one Donald J. Trump in the United States presidential elections that occurred this fall. The general sentiment is that the homosexuals, the feminist, the black people, and the atheists have won. There is also a lot more talk about how democracy isn't a good form of government and that the illustrious Jagad Guru once rambled, as he often does, about how a monarchy with a religious devotee is the best form of government.

Does this mean that Donald J. Trump is now divinely guided? Who knows, I don't think they know themselves anymore. They have been sucked up by the rising popularity of Donald J. Trump and now consume a steady diet of conspiratorial websites such as Newsmax, Brihbart, One American News Network etc etc. I guess when you don't believe in anything but the ephemeral feelings of conman, then you will become a sucker for the next conman.

They have taken to conspiracies about the vaccine and by extension the virus itself, a lot of the Hawaii based devotee's of Siddhaswarupananda as currently struggling due to SARS-COV2 affecting the US economy. Many worked in informal roles that no longer exist. A sad state of affairs that percolates throughout the tourism based economy of Hawaii. This also reflects circumstances in Philippines and Poland.

On a genuinely sad note, more of the older disciples are passing away. Cancer is now becoming more common as the first batch of cultists turn 70.

I don't foresee the cult surviving the passing of the Gurudev, it is already floundering due to low engagement with millennials and Gen Z types. A lot of the younger kids have had to buckle down and engage with the job market. The free and easy times of the 1990-2000's are gone.

Take care and until the next time.

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