This is a good point made by Flashlight. These are not direct quotes.

It would be immensely beneficial to everyone to have a brave soul confront her directly at one of the election debates and ask her "Yes or No: Are you a disciple or follower of Chris Butler, leader of the Science of Identity?" and again, not back down till we get a straight YES or NO answer from her.

What will happen when she says "NO" ? Everyone will move on. Nothing will happen.

For Chris Butler, this is about power and money. The spirituality is a hook to ensnare the slaves, that is all. As long as the slaves are kept in the shadows of religious beliefs, they can be manipulated and he can enjoy the fruits of their labors.

But, the guys at the top of the pyramid know exactly how it is, and Tulsi is at the top of that pyramid. Up there, anything goes, as long as they get what they want in the end. It is okay to lie to the karmis and the meatheads, the families, and the slaves.

It is NOT spiritual. Tulsi will be given permission to say whatever will fly politically. And, I do not believe the American public will care what their politician's particular brand of religion is. As long as she says "God" once in a while, as long as she looks good, speaks well, rides on the back of her supposed military service, they will eat her up.

Face it, the country is full of stupid religious-nutter politicians, and nobody seems to mind.


Sorry to be so negative, but I have always believed that to try to nail any of them on religion/cult issues will be like trying to hold on to sand. There will always be another angle to milk, another dummy business to take the fall, and so on.

OTOH, if you cut off Butler's head, the monster is gone.

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This is a good point made by Flashlight. These are not direct quotes.

It would be immensely beneficial to everyone to have a brave soul confront her directly at one of the election debates and ask her "Yes or No: Are you a disciple or follower of Chris Butler, leader of the Science of Identity?" and again, not back down till we get a straight YES or NO answer from her.

Tulsi is a follower of Jagad Guru Chris Butler and the Science of Identity — that is the TRUTH. No need to try hard proving it, because people who already knew, get it and don't care. Unedited articles printed in India linking Tulsi to Jagad Guru are just a bonus, and is enough proof. Whether the quote is direct or indirect is a non-issue to most American voters anyway, because beliefs are guaranteed rights. If anyone in this forum still believes corporate media will find Tulsi's religion a political issue, dream on. There's no religion out there that is nuttier than Mormonism, yet there's one Mormon running for President. Flaming Tulsi for a belief she was born into backfired before and will backfire again. Shoving the issue into voters' throats will just discredit this forum further as a mouthpiece for haters and sour grapes, and does not help in differentiating the cult's former members from the present members they criticize. This forum is a venue for exposing the lies and corruption of Jagad Guru Chris Butler and his religious cult, the Science of Identity. Let the voters connect the dots. In the end, they will decide and dictate what matters in politics, not us.

I would encourage posters here to instead engage readers, including cult members to more meaningful debates regarding the dangers of religious cults and deceitful gurus like Chris Butler and with matters that concern social issues, especially regarding families and children.



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If anyone here gets PMs (Private Messages) that poke and probe for personal information or seem impolite or wierd, send a copy of that PM to Rick Ross.

He can be reached here:

[forum.culteducation.com]

The Democratic Convention is approaching, and the stakes in this game are getting higher.

Dont let anyone distract discussion the way Rest Easy attempted to do.

Persons who are only interested in the political and financial dealings of the Butler clan will tend to zone out if forced to read long pages of testimonial to the spiritual holiness of Jagad Guru or long pages dedicated to Vaishnava theology

--and that will be the point. Distract people, get them zoned out and make them give up on reading before they reach new and informative posts about political dealings, money and REAL ESTATE--and zip codes.

And homophobia.

The political and financial dealings are the heart of the matter. Spiritualized twaddle or character attacks will be attempts to distract. Dont fall for them.

As they say in the major leagues, now's the time to keep the eye on the ball.

Take us out the (political and financial) ball game.

Not to la la land.

Exposing Butler from every angle as a dangerous cult leader is the purpose of this forum. Every one has a different angle and point of reference from which they were exposed and extricated from the cult. Also important to readers of this forum is how cults work and exert undue influence on followers. This includes revealing the lies and how the cult operates. Understanding the dynamics of Bulter's group should be based on rational analysis, critical thinking and constructive criticism which may include some boring philosophical points to some, but not all. RestEasy in no way derailed the forum, but in-house bickering and disrespect for others who are aligned with the purpose to expose Butler will.

People who have direct knowledge and documentation of Butler's illegal activities must come forward and reveal those lies. There are legal protections for whistle blowers who, because of the undue influence of Butler were involved in illegal activities. They can safely turn in evidence and work out protections with legal assistance. They are out there and need encouragement now more than ever to come forward.

It is important to stay focused on the harmful practices of Butler's group as opposed to their beliefs. This is particularly true related to Tulsi. Nancy Pelosi invited her to speak at the Democratic Convention as a part of women in politics. Her "Hinduism", age, sex, and ethnic background are exemplary of the pluralistic ideals of the DNP. If she says she is a Hindu, who can argue? It is a belief and beliefs are protected by our Constitution. What is important is if she arrived on that platform by illegal and unethical means. How is Butler exerting his undue influence? The cult is against abortion, homosexuality, cow slaughtering, gambling, alcohol, drugs, and sex without procreation. As a democrat, how will Tulsi posibly survive promoting these anti-democratic notions?!

As someone pointed out, Al Capone and other gangsters got busted on tax evation, not murder and theft. Charlie Manson got busted for masterminding the Tate-La Bianca murders even though he was not present nor killed anyone. It seems reasonable to fashion a case against Butler based on his undue influence over followers who have engaged in illegal activities under his direction. There must be some legal precedents. Rick Reed's campaign ended when it was discovered he tried to set up his opponent with a false sex scandal. Unfortunately, Butler was not implicated and his follower took the fall. That needs to change. In order to make a solid and greater case, there needs to be an understanding of the Butler history, his techniques, the dangerous practices, along with violating laws and civil rights. All of the above is in progress. Kudos to all.

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Exposing Butler from every angle as a dangerous cult leader is the purpose of this forum. Every one has a different angle and point of reference from which they were exposed and extricated from the cult. Also important to readers of this forum is how cults work and exert undue influence on followers. This includes revealing the lies and how the cult operates. Understanding the dynamics of Bulter's group should be based on rational analysis, critical thinking and constructive criticism which may include some boring philosophical points to some, but not all.

Tulsi and her religious cult know how to play the politics game well. She's a formidable package: First woman this, first woman that; youngest person ever elected; a perfect poster girl for women in politics; and a stunningly beautiful and intelligent civil servant, who exudes hollywood freshness that will sweep voters off their feet. Let's face it, like Obama, she is a political brand. Technically, the Democratic Party could have embraced Kia'aina more if political qualification is the only criteria, but politics is more than that. Whether it is right or wrong, idiots outnumber sensible voters ten to one; and in America, that will be the case for a while.

But that's the surface. This forum holds her card. It's just a matter of time when it's crucial, when she starts contradicting her previous stands on key issues that she will be properly vetted and this forum will be proved right — that underneath her political campaign is not the brightest things Sierra Club or Emily's List could have or should have unraveled from the start, but something to be embarrassed about.

We saw from Xenocrypt, Shalisnikov, Bart Dame, Heathen, etc.; that there are people patient enough to dive into copious materials to see that she is indeed a stealth candidate. That is, if she will continue to be so or denounce her theocratic agenda — to impose her religious values and obligations on modern society.

There are almost 150,000 views for this thread which even if half of those come from regular posters still holds a substantial audience. In my view, who would be interested enough to follow through with this thread day after day? I say the bulk comes from the followers. We're being watched at the same time we are watching them. Please care enough that we are on track on issues; that we are fine, fair, honest, intelligent and have genuinely changed our lives and mindset from the time we left the fold.

Meanwhile thanks to contributors for their tireless and sincere efforts and for their genuine care for the true victims of religious cults. The world will credit us for exposing an ill in modern society many could care less about.



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Dharma and Vera thank you for reminding everyone of the main event!
Butler must be denounced for the scoundrel that he is.
So Pelosi invited Tulsi to speak? I say we educate Congresswoman Pelosi as to the true force behind
Tulsi. One can easily google "How do I contact Nancy Pelosi" and up will come up the contact
information. Again, as before, just send Ms Pelosi the last 10 pages of this thread.

US: Tulsi Gabbard to address Democrats

Washington: Tulsi Gabbard, who appears all set to become the first Hindu-American to be elected to the US House of Representatives, has been invited to address the Democratic national convention in North Carolina next week.

"I had the opportunity to study both Lord Krishna’s Bhagavad Gita and also the New Testament. And like Mahatma Gandhi, who also studied both the Gita and the teachings of Jesus Christ, I saw that the central message of both is that we can only be truly happy if we are using our life in the loving service of God and humanity. That is what I am trying to do in my life--to actually apply the universal spiritual teaching of Karma Yoga and Bhakti Yoga," Gabbard told a news agency in an interview.

Currently, a Company Commander with the Hawaii Army National Guard, who has volunteered to serve on two deployments to the Middle East, Gabbard served as Hawaii's youngest state representative in 2002 and is the youngest woman in the USA to be elected into such a position.

Having never visited India so far, Tulsi says she is looking forward to visit India as an elected member of the House of Representatives.

"As a Vaishnava, I especially look forward to visiting the holy sites of Vrindavan," she said.

There you go folks, she's starting to spill the beans.

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dharmabum
US: Tulsi Gabbard to address Democrats

Washington: Tulsi Gabbard, who appears all set to become the first Hindu-American to be elected to the US House of Representatives, has been invited to address the Democratic national convention in North Carolina next week.

"I had the opportunity to study both Lord Krishna’s Bhagavad Gita and also the New Testament. And like Mahatma Gandhi, who also studied both the Gita and the teachings of Jesus Christ, I saw that the central message of both is that we can only be truly happy if we are using our life in the loving service of God and humanity. That is what I am trying to do in my life--to actually apply the universal spiritual teaching of Karma Yoga and Bhakti Yoga," Gabbard told a news agency in an interview.

Currently, a Company Commander with the Hawaii Army National Guard, who has volunteered to serve on two deployments to the Middle East, Gabbard served as Hawaii's youngest state representative in 2002 and is the youngest woman in the USA to be elected into such a position.

Having never visited India so far, Tulsi says she is looking forward to visit India as an elected member of the House of Representatives.

"As a Vaishnava, I especially look forward to visiting the holy sites of Vrindavan," she said.

There you go folks, she's starting to spill the beans.

Except few Americans read India.com. So if you spill your beans in the forest and no one is there to see it, are the beans really spilled?