Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Posted by:
Gladitzover
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Date: January 31, 2007 12:01AM
Dogmother wrote:
Dogmother,
I think [i:426ed22b94][b:426ed22b94]we[/b:426ed22b94][/i:426ed22b94] all understand what you mean about "silencing" Dave, i.e. stopping him from gathering, manipulating and controlling people's lives. Dave, on the other hand, will use such comments to suggest that we want to assassinate him. Ridiculous, I know, but for the sake of the current members, who Dave will try to convince of such nonsense, we need to be careful how we word things.
I agree though it would be nice to have a meeting of ex-member's. As long as things were kept positive and we worked at building eachother up.
I'm not sure of a head count I'll leave that for someone else. :wink:
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How about comming up with a summit, a meeting in person, where we all get together and brainstorm on how to get this predator silenced forever. This would be a service to mankind.
Dogmother,
I think [i:426ed22b94][b:426ed22b94]we[/b:426ed22b94][/i:426ed22b94] all understand what you mean about "silencing" Dave, i.e. stopping him from gathering, manipulating and controlling people's lives. Dave, on the other hand, will use such comments to suggest that we want to assassinate him. Ridiculous, I know, but for the sake of the current members, who Dave will try to convince of such nonsense, we need to be careful how we word things.
I agree though it would be nice to have a meeting of ex-member's. As long as things were kept positive and we worked at building eachother up.
I'm not sure of a head count I'll leave that for someone else. :wink:
Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Posted by:
Dogmother
()
Date: January 31, 2007 01:57AM
Gladitzover, are you afraid of Dave and what he thinks?
I get your point about being mindful of Dave's tiny--but not small enough--present crew, poor baby Dave, he's so persecuted, isn't he? Everyone is out to get him... grannys, award-winning reporters, mothers, fathers, brothers and off course all the evil cult busters. Let he not fancy himself. There's always the danger of some new poor soul being sucked in until he meets his maker. Eventually Dave will self-destruct.
Gladitzover, do not fear.
I get your point about being mindful of Dave's tiny--but not small enough--present crew, poor baby Dave, he's so persecuted, isn't he? Everyone is out to get him... grannys, award-winning reporters, mothers, fathers, brothers and off course all the evil cult busters. Let he not fancy himself. There's always the danger of some new poor soul being sucked in until he meets his maker. Eventually Dave will self-destruct.
Gladitzover, do not fear.
Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Posted by:
matilda
()
Date: January 31, 2007 03:13AM
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Dogmother
How many of us are there? Head-count someone, please.
Ahem! Where? Venues
A summit in Kathmandu? With all those scenic falling rocks? Provisioning food there may be trickier than at your local Wal Mart or Kash n Karry.
A table at that new restaurant in Kenya? Cute, if you like safaris!
Texas anyone? Sydney maybe? Joking aside, it is a super idea! Matilda says yes. Invite the JC's too.
Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Posted by:
Dogmother
()
Date: January 31, 2007 04:17AM
Matilda, great idea, let's book a table at that new restaurant in Kenya! What kind of food do they serve and is it all fresh? Don't want to get sick! I was also thinking of Spain or even a cruise :lol: sailing to Alaska maybe. I can check on group rates when I know how many of us are "in." And, yes, I am open to inviting present JCs, especially Josef, also Paul and Ulrike. Not sure about Reinhard.
Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Posted by:
apostate
()
Date: January 31, 2007 04:33AM
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Gladitzover
Dogmother wrote:Quote
How about comming up with a summit, a meeting in person, where we all get together and brainstorm on how to get this predator silenced forever. This would be a service to mankind.
Dogmother,
I think [i:4798ef4678][b:4798ef4678]we[/b:4798ef4678][/i:4798ef4678] all understand what you mean about "silencing" Dave, i.e. stopping him from gathering, manipulating and controlling people's lives. Dave, on the other hand, will use such comments to suggest that we want to assassinate him. Ridiculous, I know, but for the sake of the current members, who Dave will try to convince of such nonsense, we need to be careful how we word things.
I agree though it would be nice to have a meeting of ex-member's. As long as things were kept positive and we worked at building eachother up.
I'm not sure of a head count I'll leave that for someone else. :wink:
Hello "Dogmother". Could you please explain what YOU mean by "get this predator silenced forever"? I, unlike "Gladitsover", do not wish to words in your mouth. If you explain, I and others will not misunderstand you.
I would be interested to meet with ex members. It would good to solidify an ex member support base, sort of an international community of friends ... minus the control factor of the JC's of course. I for one think we could benfit from supportive contact. I do think inviting the JC's along would be a good idea, as it would take away from the peacefullness of a get together by them attacking us and turning it into a whopper grievance meeting.
Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Posted by:
Dogmother
()
Date: January 31, 2007 04:57AM
Apostate, there are many different ways to "silence" someone. I believe we are ALL taxpaying, law abiding citizens here on this forum, unlike Mckay who is always up to something that's not kosher and borders on the illegal if not criminal. We can silence him in many different ways, probably the best way to hurt him is financial with a class-action lawsuit. Someone mentioned it on this forum earlier. Non of us were born yesterday, Gladitzover, and although Dave originally "took" us by surprise, he's now very pretictable and I can see exactly what he's telling his crew trying to make them more paranoid as the already are, thanks to him. It's impossible not to be paranoid when you are dealing with Dave until it's over. Glad it's over for you! I hope it is!
Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Posted by:
Dogmother
()
Date: January 31, 2007 06:00AM
Did you guys already see this.....
Behold, a certain young maiden did often times and at strange hours greatly desire a pizza. This would often happen in the second or the third watch, when home delivery was not available. At such times there would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth because she could not have the desire of her heart.
And so she spake thus with herself: "If I would but learn to make my own pizza, then when the desire cometh upon me in the night hours, I shall be able to have pizza straightaway, without waiting for the pizza merchants to re-open when the cock croweth."
The following day she sought out the school of one Papa Giuseppe, who gave instruction on the making of pizza.
The maiden had not long been in the presence of her new Master before she learned that a pizza base consisteth wholly of flour, water, yeast, salt and sugar. Because she was loathe to wait continually upon her Master, for the many hours of study that he required of his disciples, she departed from his presence straightway after hearing of the ingredients.
When she was in her own home, she did search until she had found all of the necessary items, and she put an equal measure of each into a large earthen vessel, and did eat from it.
"Pshaw!" she exclaimed, as the ingredients spewed forth from her mouth. "The truth is not in my Master," she reasoned with herself. "This food tasteth badly of salt and yeast. I will go to him and remonstrate him for his deception."
"I have not wronged you," said the good Master when he had heard the maiden's story. "If you had continued steadfastly in my word, like my true disciples have done, you would have learned the correct measure for each of those ingredients."
The maiden was humbled beyond measure by this new revelation. "Surely, I was too impatient with Master Giuseppe," she said. "I will return to his class a second time, and hear more of what he has to say."
And so she listened once again to the words of the great pizza maker, until she was fully instructed in the ways of weights and measures.
She did hide all these things in her heart (and on the notepad in her laptop computer), after which she made haste to leave the classroom and return home once again. There she made use of that which she had learned from the Master. Her weights and her measurements were without equal throughout all the land.
But lo, her labours failed yet a second time, for that which she produced was of the nature of silly putty. It did take the shape of whatsoever vessel wherein it had been placed. "My hand runneth over," she said upon trying to pick up a piece of the pizza. And upon biting into it, there was not the familiar crunch in which her soul had taken such delight in days gone by. Instead, her mouth was filled with softness, and the taste was that of the glue which the scribes do use when binding their books.
She returned to her master, greatly distressed, and did enquire as to why he had taught her such untruths.
"But I have not misled you," said the kindly Giuseppe. "The mixture must first be cooked, before it is meet for human consumption."
Alas, the poor maiden was humbled yet again. Nevertheless, though she returned many times to the Master's feet, each time she learned a new truth, she believed that she was his equal, and that she had no further need to learn from him. Because of this, her learning was painfully slow.
Now there were certain other foolish students like herself, who hurried off to try what they had learned from Papa Giuseppe as well. But when their "pizzas" fell short of the glory that they had so desired, they cast aside all hope of making pizzas and returned to peanut butter sandwiches instead. Their hearts became hardened against the good Papa, and they blamed him for their failures, when it was these foolish students themselves who were the cause of their own problems.
Our young maiden was foolish for not being faithful in her attendance at the pizza-making classes; but she was less foolish than her equals, because she returned to learn more when her own understanding failed.
So learn a lesson from the foolish young maiden. Follow your Master faithfully, and do not stray from his side until you have hidden in your heart all that he hath to say.
And learn likewise from the wisdom of the foolish young maiden. For, if you should stray from the way, do not heap scorn on your Master or on those whom he may have used to show you some small part of the truth. If your efforts fail, return to him and learn again the hidden truths that can only be learned by one who is of a broken and a contrite heart.
Dave here: I don't often write "cute" articles like this, because the style can so easily blind people to the message. The message is a serious one. Denominationalism grew from people running off with one truth, and using it as an excuse to scorn those who possessed other parts of the truth. And atheism has grown from the tendency to blame God for our own finite understanding of his will. All who wish to develop into true leaders must first learn how to follow, and to wait patiently for the right time to step out.
***very cute :arrow: let's not heap scorn on THEE Master
Behold, a certain young maiden did often times and at strange hours greatly desire a pizza. This would often happen in the second or the third watch, when home delivery was not available. At such times there would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth because she could not have the desire of her heart.
And so she spake thus with herself: "If I would but learn to make my own pizza, then when the desire cometh upon me in the night hours, I shall be able to have pizza straightaway, without waiting for the pizza merchants to re-open when the cock croweth."
The following day she sought out the school of one Papa Giuseppe, who gave instruction on the making of pizza.
The maiden had not long been in the presence of her new Master before she learned that a pizza base consisteth wholly of flour, water, yeast, salt and sugar. Because she was loathe to wait continually upon her Master, for the many hours of study that he required of his disciples, she departed from his presence straightway after hearing of the ingredients.
When she was in her own home, she did search until she had found all of the necessary items, and she put an equal measure of each into a large earthen vessel, and did eat from it.
"Pshaw!" she exclaimed, as the ingredients spewed forth from her mouth. "The truth is not in my Master," she reasoned with herself. "This food tasteth badly of salt and yeast. I will go to him and remonstrate him for his deception."
"I have not wronged you," said the good Master when he had heard the maiden's story. "If you had continued steadfastly in my word, like my true disciples have done, you would have learned the correct measure for each of those ingredients."
The maiden was humbled beyond measure by this new revelation. "Surely, I was too impatient with Master Giuseppe," she said. "I will return to his class a second time, and hear more of what he has to say."
And so she listened once again to the words of the great pizza maker, until she was fully instructed in the ways of weights and measures.
She did hide all these things in her heart (and on the notepad in her laptop computer), after which she made haste to leave the classroom and return home once again. There she made use of that which she had learned from the Master. Her weights and her measurements were without equal throughout all the land.
But lo, her labours failed yet a second time, for that which she produced was of the nature of silly putty. It did take the shape of whatsoever vessel wherein it had been placed. "My hand runneth over," she said upon trying to pick up a piece of the pizza. And upon biting into it, there was not the familiar crunch in which her soul had taken such delight in days gone by. Instead, her mouth was filled with softness, and the taste was that of the glue which the scribes do use when binding their books.
She returned to her master, greatly distressed, and did enquire as to why he had taught her such untruths.
"But I have not misled you," said the kindly Giuseppe. "The mixture must first be cooked, before it is meet for human consumption."
Alas, the poor maiden was humbled yet again. Nevertheless, though she returned many times to the Master's feet, each time she learned a new truth, she believed that she was his equal, and that she had no further need to learn from him. Because of this, her learning was painfully slow.
Now there were certain other foolish students like herself, who hurried off to try what they had learned from Papa Giuseppe as well. But when their "pizzas" fell short of the glory that they had so desired, they cast aside all hope of making pizzas and returned to peanut butter sandwiches instead. Their hearts became hardened against the good Papa, and they blamed him for their failures, when it was these foolish students themselves who were the cause of their own problems.
Our young maiden was foolish for not being faithful in her attendance at the pizza-making classes; but she was less foolish than her equals, because she returned to learn more when her own understanding failed.
So learn a lesson from the foolish young maiden. Follow your Master faithfully, and do not stray from his side until you have hidden in your heart all that he hath to say.
And learn likewise from the wisdom of the foolish young maiden. For, if you should stray from the way, do not heap scorn on your Master or on those whom he may have used to show you some small part of the truth. If your efforts fail, return to him and learn again the hidden truths that can only be learned by one who is of a broken and a contrite heart.
Dave here: I don't often write "cute" articles like this, because the style can so easily blind people to the message. The message is a serious one. Denominationalism grew from people running off with one truth, and using it as an excuse to scorn those who possessed other parts of the truth. And atheism has grown from the tendency to blame God for our own finite understanding of his will. All who wish to develop into true leaders must first learn how to follow, and to wait patiently for the right time to step out.
***very cute :arrow: let's not heap scorn on THEE Master
Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Posted by:
Gladitzover
()
Date: January 31, 2007 06:05AM
Apostate wrote:
You're right Apostate, I shouldn't put words in people's mouths. I should just ask for clarification.
Dogmother wrote:
Dave works hard enough trying to establish the persecuted "prophet" persona. Personally, I don't like to feed his mania.
Anyhow, it was just advice...proceed as you wish.
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I, unlike "Gladitsover", do not wish to words in your mouth. If you explain, I and others will not misunderstand you.
You're right Apostate, I shouldn't put words in people's mouths. I should just ask for clarification.
Dogmother wrote:
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Gladitzover, are you afraid of Dave and what he thinks?
Dave works hard enough trying to establish the persecuted "prophet" persona. Personally, I don't like to feed his mania.
Anyhow, it was just advice...proceed as you wish.
Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Posted by:
matilda
()
Date: January 31, 2007 09:27AM
Thank you Dogmother,
If anything at all, this illustrates clearly that Dave should let Jesus do the parables. [/color:83af21fe1a]
If anything at all, this illustrates clearly that Dave should let Jesus do the parables. [/color:83af21fe1a]
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Dogmother
Did you guys already see this.....
Behold, a certain young maiden did often times and at strange hours greatly desire a pizza. This would often happen in the second or the third watch, when home delivery was not available. At such times there would be much weeping and gnashing of teeth because she could not have the desire of her heart.
And so she spake thus with herself: "If I would but learn to make my own pizza, then when the desire cometh upon me in the night hours, I shall be able to have pizza straightaway, without waiting for the pizza merchants to re-open when the cock croweth."
The following day she sought out the school of one Papa Giuseppe, who gave instruction on the making of pizza.
The maiden had not long been in the presence of her new Master before she learned that a pizza base consisteth wholly of flour, water, yeast, salt and sugar. Because she was loathe to wait continually upon her Master, for the many hours of study that he required of his disciples, she departed from his presence straightway after hearing of the ingredients.
Foolish maiden. She should have left sooner ( as Zeusor did!) It does not take many hours of study to learn how to make a pizza. It took me all of 10 minutes to read the recipe and make the dough. The maiden's Master also omitted to mention a key ingredient; the olive oil!![/color:83af21fe1a]
When she was in her own home, she did search until she had found all of the necessary items, and she put an equal measure of each into a large earthen vessel, and did eat from it.
"Pshaw!" she exclaimed, as the ingredients spewed forth from her mouth. "The truth is not in my Master," she reasoned with herself. "This food tasteth badly of salt and yeast. I will go to him and remonstrate him for his deception."
Bad idea. Had the maiden listened to Papa G's old students who were sick and tired of the taste of salty yeast, she could have saved some time AND have a proper pizza.[/color:83af21fe1a]
"I have not wronged you," said the good Master when he had heard the maiden's story. "If you had continued steadfastly in my word, like my true disciples have done, you would have learned the correct measure for each of those ingredients."
The maiden was humbled beyond measure by this new revelation. "Surely, I was too impatient with Master Giuseppe," she said. "I will return to his class a second time, and hear more of what he has to say."
Revelation!! More of an excuse I'd say. So far, its taken him many hours to list 6 basic ingredients and he deceived her by onitting one. Get out of there maiden and consider your options. You have a computer. Log into [cook.dannemann.org.uk] and teach yourself. Failing that, after all these hours, the pizza home delivery parlour should now be open for business. [/color:83af21fe1a]
And so she listened once again to the words of the great pizza maker, until she was fully instructed in the ways of weights and measures.
She did hide all these things in her heart (and on the notepad in her laptop computer), after which she made haste to leave the classroom and return home once again. There she made use of that which she had learned from the Master. Her weights and her measurements were without equal throughout all the land.
This student has surpassed her teacher and she is 'without equal'? Either Papa G only had only one student and then died directly after this marathon session or she should now become his teacher![/color:83af21fe1a]
But lo, her labours failed yet a second time, for that which she produced was of the nature of silly putty. It did take the shape of whatsoever vessel wherein it had been placed. "My hand runneth over," she said upon trying to pick up a piece of the pizza. And upon biting into it, there was not the familiar crunch in which her soul had taken such delight in days gone by. Instead, her mouth was filled with softness, and the taste was that of the glue which the scribes do use when binding their books.
She returned to her master, greatly distressed, and did enquire as to why he had taught her such untruths.
"But I have not misled you," said the kindly Giuseppe. "The mixture must first be cooked, before it is meet for human consumption."
Deception number 2. Cooking pizza dough provides the crust. It is not a genuine pizza without a topping! It is just flat bread! you have been conned.[/color:83af21fe1a]
Alas, the poor maiden was humbled yet again. Nevertheless, though she returned many times to the Master's feet, each time she learned a new truth, she believed that she was his equal, and that she had no further need to learn from him. Because of this, her learning was painfully slow.
She is more than his equal and he is wasting her time! She just needs some confidence to make the decision. she needs to stop listening to his confusing lesson.[/color:83af21fe1a]
Now there were certain other foolish students like herself, who hurried off to try what they had learned from Papa Giuseppe as well. But when their "pizzas" fell short of the glory that they had so desired, they cast aside all hope of making pizzas and returned to peanut butter sandwiches instead. Their hearts became hardened against the good Papa, and they blamed him for their failures, when it was these foolish students themselves who were the cause of their own problems.
Wrong! The old Papa G is no good and has yet to demonstrate that he even knows the recipe. He got it wrong in the first instance and is now insisting they listen as he continues to misinform and confuse them! He is responsible for misinforming them.[/color:83af21fe1a]
Our young maiden was foolish for not being faithful in her attendance at the pizza-making classes; but she was less foolish than her equals, because she returned to learn more when her own understanding failed.
So learn a lesson from the foolish young maiden. Follow your Master faithfully, and do not stray from his side until you have hidden in your heart all that he hath to say.
For heaven's sake, We are now in semester 2 and still no pizza. Papa G shouls get the boot! The lesson we need to learn from this is , you will never learn to make a pizza from a bumbling old fool. Next time check out the masters credentials before signing up for his class. [/color:83af21fe1a]
And learn likewise from the wisdom of the foolish young maiden. For, if you should stray from the way, do not heap scorn on your Master or on those whom he may have used to show you some small part of the truth. If your efforts fail, return to him and learn again the hidden truths that can only be learned by one who is of a broken and a contrite heart.
What garbled rubbish is this? 'the wisdom of the foolish young maiden'? Oh boy!! [/color:83af21fe1a]
Dave here: I don't often write "cute" articles like this, because the style can so easily blind people to the message.
' I'm like -- 'Noooooooo'. No it aint cute and although the style is crass, the message was scrambled long before the story was written.
The message is a serious one.
It just that Papa G cant remember it!!!and blunders on ...[/color:83af21fe1a]
Denominationalism grew from people running off with one truth, and using it as an excuse to scorn those who possessed other parts of the truth. And atheism has grown from the tendency to blame God for our own finite understanding of his will.
Is this saying what I think it is saying? that atheism stems from theism?[/color:83af21fe1a]
All who wish to develop into true leaders must first learn how to follow, and to wait patiently for the right time to step out.
If you have been following a fake pizza master, the time is right to leave right now. You have been conned! Get out and find another teacher who will keep it simple and to the point.[/color:83af21fe1a]
***very cute :arrow: let's not heap scorn on THEE Master
Australian cult: Anyone recognize this?
Posted by:
apostate
()
Date: January 31, 2007 05:03PM
I have to say that I found it painfully BORING and tedious. I made it through to the end though. Phew!
More evidence of how void he is anything worthwhile to say.
More evidence of how void he is anything worthwhile to say.
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