What I find interesting is that the JC's filmed this and put it out for general consumption on the web. I think that shows the desperation and delusion of Davejc's recruitment efforts. Most cult leaders would try to hide such an exhibition of violence from the general public but Davejc, in courting publicity, is openly targeting a very confused and mixed-up demographic, young boy/men who are not yet repulsed by violent display.

Dear Stoic,

Again some "laser like" perspicacity on your part....it was UTTERLY bad press for them....but it's amazing how insane McKay has become down the years, as he progressively "dismissed" from the Jesus Christians, anyone who questioned him in the slightest...if McKay tells himself that the wider world will somehow believe his abject attempts to falsely portray himself as "victim"....everyone in the JC's is automatically obliged to support him in his idiocy!

...the end result, ....he unknowingly becomes his own worst enemy, in the company of the "yes men" he has stupidly retained as "worthy" of him!

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...the end result, ....he unknowingly becomes his own worst enemy, in the company of the "yes men" he has stupidly retained as "worthy" of him!

You really must question the mental state of Roland, Sue, Ross, Christine and Robin. These guys are the real hardcore element of the JCs who have become reliant on McKay. They've been under the ''Apostle's'' control for most of their lives. Reinshneider and Fran have also been there for a large proportion of their lives.

Could you imagine having your whole life mapped out for you?

What happens to these people once McKay shoots the crow?

I wish the best for his victims/followers but I imagine McKay's legacy will live on long after he's gone. There will need to be a huge amount of support for these people once they eventually decide to live life again. McKay has filled them with a great deal of bitterness, anger, paranoia and fear. It will take an extremely long time for these people to fully recover. McKay will leave a trail of broken family relations throughout the cult which will make their recovery even harder.

Franky,

I've sent you a pm. Please respond ASAP.

Thanks

Welcome back Zeuszor!

That Jonestown picture is spine-tingling.

It's a reminder to us all of what can happen when a cult goes underground.

I am extremely concerned about the JCs at the moment....

It's clear that they would do almost anything for Dave McKay. And when you have a small group gathered round an absolute leader like this and the group lives communally and is relatively isolated BAD THINGS OFTEN HAPPEN.

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I am extremely concerned about the JCs at the moment....

It's clear that they would do almost anything for Dave McKay. And when you have a small group gathered round an absolute leader like this and the group lives communally and is relatively isolated BAD THINGS OFTEN HAPPEN.

My God. Where is the group located at the moment?

At the risk of alienating some staunch christians, I am going to pick up on the point about fear that Muppet made in the above quoted piece.

Fear, in particular fear of what might happen in the future is the emotion that underlies and fuels all salvation stories. Davejc's major hook here is that he presents an apparent answer to that very natural and personal fear of mortality and what happens to us afterwards.

Davejc's attraction to his followers lies in the falsehood that he constantly implies in all his workings---that he alone has cracked the biblical 'code', the secret to how one gets to be counted amongst the 144 K ordinary human beings who, against all odds and out of the billions of good people out there, get to survive the apocalypse.

This is very seductive indeed to his chosen demographic, who are just beginning to grapple with the queasy understanding that we are all mortal. Fear of one's own demise is hard-wired into every living thing on the planet, it is the stick that drives every effort at survival.

Human beings are natural problem solvers, that is our advantage over other species, our 'higher' intelligence which is really an advanced, imaginative, projective ability allows us to project both forwards into the future and backwards into the past and 'see' (imagine) fantasy scenario's of what might happen. This allows us to reflect on different possible outcomes and make choices but it also allows in fear to a much greater degree, as all outcomes that can be fantasised are not sunny, positive, cheerful and triumphant.

So Davejc uses (as do all propagators of 'salvation' stories) the fear of mortality as a stick while holding out the carrot of salvation that only he can provide to bind to himself the vulnerable people who are, for the first time, grappling with the very tense and stressful dilemma of of one's own personal and unavoidable death.

Davejc has convinced his followers that he alone has the answer to this dilemma--"don't you worry your little head about it, daddy has it covered"-- and by deliberately encouraging the shutting down their critical thinking, fosters dependence to the point that the followers are deeply terrified that straying from Davejc and his worldview means that they lose their chance at the impossible, survival of mortality.

It is a con but it is a con that depends upon playing, for his own benefit, on the best of human problem solving capabilities, the capacity to 'see' (imagine) a range of possible outcomes and choosing to work towards making one of them real.

The flaw in his logic, of course, is that death is not a problem to be solved--it is the inevitable result of the using up and wearing out of the organism by living--you can't have one -life, without the other -death.
And the choice of eternal life, except in the imaginative terms of future projection, is not an option that anyone has realistically cracked, to date.
(for the scientifically inclined, cancer cells do seem to have cracked that option, which is what makes them such a danger to the host organism and of such interest to medical researchers.)



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I am extremely concerned about the JCs at the moment....

It's clear that they would do almost anything for Dave McKay. And when you have a small group gathered round an absolute leader like this and the group lives communally and is relatively isolated BAD THINGS OFTEN HAPPEN.

My God. Where is the group located at the moment?

McKay has taken them underground. We don't know their exact location.