Before we come to blame ourselves for letting others abuse us, we must also hold the abusers accountable. Noone has any business abusing anoybody else. Especially in spiritual communities where we get as fragile and trusting as toddlers. Where the leaders of the centers are supposed to be representing the so called pure devotee of god on earth who loves us “unconditionally”. Even though I wa
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If that level of being in control of our minds was so easily obtained, our society would not be in this shape. There are many factors that makes it so people end up being hostage of spiritual communities. If one had such strong sense of self and their psyche, they would not trust a semi lunatic such as butler. Do you realize that many of us are the results of dysfunctional families. You grow
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Sorry if I get a bit too passionate about this subject. I wish it was taken a bit more seriously. I know how many are kept hostage of such phenom. I truly want to help souls not to put up with abuse of any kind. Especially spiritual. No matter how many spiritual gifts or bliss we get, it is not worth having others kick us and keep us in fear. I am slowly making peace with my cult misadvent
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We, in these human avatars and minds, are way too small and limited to figure out this gigantic cosmic game. The who, why, how… However I insist that those who start having strong faith in any religion, is not because they are just fools. Even if one sees nothing mystical in a deity crying tears of blood or oil, some so called saints who had stigmatas on the palm of their hands, miracles ha
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My dear friend, are free to consider that there is nothing mystical about my experiences. I know what I know and what I have seen. We just use words such as mystical supernatural, extraordinary to describe things that most humans do not experience. What I shared here is still the very basic experiences. Imagine if I had to share even more. I am sorry if I have experienced all these mind blo
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Krishna consc. was meant to save the most fallen. The issue is that the fallen became gurus instead of remaining students and disciples. We are all polluted to some extent. I myself have always admited to being one of the patients of the butler mental hospital. There is nothing wrong with the fact that butler is plagued with some disorders and phobias. He is just not qualified to be a bhakti
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The main and most important lesson ne must extract from it all, is the power of illusion. How we can so easily be pulled into something so non sensical. Get so blnded we can hardly see the dysfunctions. If you see them, you must brainwash yourself into thinkig you are offensive or a demon. Of course noone is really interested going deep enough about the manipulation. We are and will always
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I know it is not easy having compassion for butler. But imagine the heavy trip of being a krishna’s Acharya. The huge bs that you are made to believe and the fact that you are supposed to carry the karma of others. Imagine if there are some beings in the unseen realm who sit and make a bet. And AC Bhaktivedanta is like: I bet I can create the most original script. And honestly this is what
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Utimately the lessons I got from the cult are very valuable and humbling. I will always be grateful to the forces that truly care about me for getting me out and for protecting me from going back. I think that the new agers will love the Iskcon and SoI devotees. As they say that we have to love the demons. The Sadomasochistic, codependent relation between humans and gods is nothing new. The
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I only wanted to bring awarness as to how this Krishna crap show truly operates. Through my experiences and those of other devotees. Showing that it is not all just brainwashing and random. And that one must not fall for the mind blowing tricks. In my eyes, I wanted to render a service by going much deeper into freeing souls from the clutches of illusion, fear, guilt, love addiction… But if
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In this whole cult education website, I have mostly come acoss minds who want to hold on to logic. Posts that want to debunk everything. Even practices that are extremely helpful to the body and psyche. And I am the one who has been titled as arrogant. Those who share a closed mind are appreciated, but those who try to bring awareness are seen as conspiracy theorists, schizo, liars, pot head
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Who has ever watched this short old video of Mike Gabbard against gay marriage? Someone should save it in case it gets deleted. It is the tackiest thing I have ever seen.
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The issue with devotees is that they think they are the MOST spiritually advanced beings on the planet. Just because they believe they hold the absolute truth and because of these synchronicities and far out phenom. However they are many layers to this reality. And many levels of being conscious. They are more awake than those who are still slave of their senses,addictions the mind… However t
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No. This is not at all related to the law of attraction. Watch the movies the truman show and the asjustment bureau. I cannot get too off subject on this forum, but it is more like a reality manipulation. And this story I just tood, is still a joke compared to even more mind blowing ones. When it comes to Krishna Consc, such mind blowing situations are created in order to get you fixed in you
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Let me once and for all reveal what was done to me in order to make me believe 10000 percent that this path is the most powerful. And that Krishna is real. After a few months of chanting, I ended up at the hopsital. A complete stranger in a male and black body was also a patient there. He was not a hare krihsna looking guy. But rather looked homeless. He even smoked. He came to me and handed m
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Please stop assuming like frozen nick what I know and do not know. Thanks!
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Does he have other centers in the world?
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Unlimately who cares? Not sure why you threw this out there. Who cares about what? Me trying to understand the most important things that enslave us and make us suffer. Or butler breaking all the mumbo jumbo vaishnava rules. Or me trying to uncover the deadly forces of evil that rule these filthy groups? Pedophelia, murders, illicit sex between gurus and devotees, drug trafficking, human salv
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Culthusiast, all that happened to me cannot be related to butler messing up whatsoever. Why would anyone get punished because of his sins? If his Sangha is corrupt, it is not my issue. I have never dealt drugs or laundered money for SoI. It is a very personal thing. And I guess that I keep it very low key here when it comes to the details. I had been under attack way before entering the cul
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Conspiracy theorist is a term that the CIA has come up with. Tehe same CIA who is behind MK ultra is surely not my friend and a source I trust. The so called conspiracies that the devotees are interested in, such as fake moon landing, 911… are still quite minor. It serves no purpose. And devotees would not even dare look at very dark subjects. They are even afraid of ghosts. Besides, invest
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Run forets Run, I would not worry too much about those guys you associated with in the PI. Look at this Wailana video. At the beginning you see the actors devotee. With their kids, smiling and happy. Some people are very well treated and they enjoy their lives. They brag about their international travels on Insta. Post about the color or their lipstick on FB with their mini skirts and high
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It is surely not easy for us to imagine what went on thousands of years ago. We can rely more on what has been left behind than what has been written. And it is very clear that some advanced civilizations were built in different parts of the world. While some parts were left in a basic tribal state. Most religions trap you in a box and keep you narrow minded. One no longer looks for deeper
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I have been attacked through my psyche since I was 7 years old. And I know for sure that the gita does not even scratch the surface when it comes to the complexities of how our minds, senses and bodies function. The teachings of the vedas give some minor guidance that can free one to a certain extent. The whole truth and picture will never be revealed. Those teachings are like letting you in
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Imagine some beings sitting around and coming up with all these stories. Wondering how far they can push the enveloppe with naive humans. The joke is on us truly for blindly accepting all the mythologies. I think I would be quite good at the job since I like writing as you can see it. They have highjacked our imagination by feeding us prefabricated stories. Lies mixed with truths. At the e
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This open letter from Lalita is one of the best things I have ever read on butler. Also what is the story about him coming face to face with authorities in 1995? Never heard about it.
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When it comes to the R rated lectures, shame of the stupid parents and those who run the PI schools to let kids listen to that crap. That shows how brainwashed and mindless these people are and how irrational butler is. How do you even mention such things to people who are supposed not to think about sex and hear about it much? It was absolutely not necessary to make a point. He could have be
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I believe that at the end of the day, we cannot truly interfere much in the scripts that are written for each individual soul. Maybe I cannot truly judge either not seeing the full picture. As we come into this realm with amnesia and so much is hidden from us. We are just given many different stories. Each culture has its own stories and beliefs. What will always remain a mystery is why the
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OMG! Missed part 5. What an absolute actor and liar this guy is. We all know how he treated his gay disciples. I doubt that any devotee would openly dare decalre they have auch tendencis to butker or any other devotee after his lectures. This is just way too much. How does this liar live with himself? I must say that he is really good with words but he ain’t fooling us.
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Krishna consciousness in the wrong hands is like landing on snake island. It is extremely concerning to see what him and his disciples have done with this philosophy. And the problem is that not many will be able to see the demonic side of SoI because they always compare with Iskcon. If they only knew that the fear of offenses is just the boogyman, it would be game over for the bhakti yoga c
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Great find. Butler recognizes that he has been arrogant his whole life. Of course it was all Tulsi election damage control But still, a good thing he can express it. He also speaks of the harsh language he uses for the gay people, in the other questions. Oh man! What a bunch of hypocrit clowns these people are. He thinks that he can seriously fool us so easily? Why the hell does an Acarya
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