Think about how disempowering the path of Bhakti is for this day and age. 5000 years ago krishna and the demigods descended to battle all these mythological creatures. Giant demons both in human and animal forms. They had the very distinct caste system. Men (warriors) were supposed to give protection to the women, elserly, children… Then 4500 years later, in the worse age possible where your
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There is one thing I am not sure I can forgive myself for. Not having the vision to see that my so called god brother and sisters were getting abused by butler. And as I said it before, my own abuse is rather healed after the massive purge. I remember that poor woman who is one of the most dedicated servant. She would walk around with Eczema blisters and itching her skin all the time. She had
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VoxVeritasVita das thank you so much for your kind words. I truly appreciate it. I truly feel that we are all at very different places in our lives and I too was one of those blind followers at one point. But then again it was not truly that blind because from the moment I entered the path, I was bombarded by very extraordinary pehnom that made me believe 10000 % that it was all true. I got t
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You see. I was here for almost 2 years purging so much past trauma and pain. I acted like a crazy person many times who got me quite unpopular for good reasons. It was a rather painful and slightly embarassing process. However those who held space for me helped me more than those who attacked my behavior. I, was left to purge a very heavy chunk of hell stuck in me after decades of abuse. And
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The beings that put the Vedas together claim they have also constructed this material hole. Karma, reincarnation… I mean no scripture gives you as much detail as the vedas about the mind, senses, ego, the different natures… Krishna consciousness is a great pacifier snd antidote. In all these years, if I had stayed a devotee, I would have been able to suck up all the torture with humility. I
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We all come into this world with baggage. Some have a more angelic fabric for sure. I have met such sweet souls at the SoI.Very rare though. But then again they came from very kind and balanced families with no trauma. I myself for sure carry a huge anount of the negative qualities, which am not proud of. Those who have heavier pasts suffer more in these settings. And the leaders are not quali
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Of course the Vedas would know about human nature. Don’t they keep telling us that they created these human genomes? Don’t they give us so many guidelines about the mind, ego, senses… Yes human nature is very complex as well as the psyche. I have realized that faith and beliefs make it a bit easier. Like when everybody thinks sthe same thing. Humans like to hang out like a flock of sheep an
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A healthy dose of narcissism is almost needed to survive this jungle. And also to comfront those who want to play Alpha with us. And most deal with psych, emotional issues. Some are much better at hiding it or ghey are so full of themselves they cannot see it. The poor devotees have to give away all sense of self and become Betas so that a few alphas can dominate them. They think they have
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Before the internet lies and scams could pass easier. Today you cannot so essily get away with it thanks to the Net. I was thinking how I gave my money with so much happiness. Hard earned money swnt to SoI dor what damn project? Rinsing butler’s dishes with Evian? I mean tbis goes beyond insanity. The poor devotees are usually not earning much money. And the guru is supposed to live a simple l
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I truly hope that there will be an afterlife reward for the iskcon and SoI devotees. Asides from the Elites of any of these groups or those who have it good, the others have experienced a slice of hell in these institutions. Even those who have an instagram life in the cult of butler are lost. Lost because they have surrendered and accepted a disordered person as a pure and perfect entity. It
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I woke up to this today. Not looking for SOI info. Just landed in my mailbox. I thought it was too good not to share here. It is from crissy’s twitter account.
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What is important is that the ugly truth has been exposed. And some of us have been able to see the insanity. What you don’t know or don’t want to know will not hurt you. Those who are in the cult, will always consider butler as being a perfect Jesus that has saved their lives. This is the bliss of ignorance that will keep them happy. They were not able to sell us a lie. And they must also
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I am sure that my posts in here has gained me the reputation of a lunatic that many will not take seriously. I doubt that anybody who wants to escape the cult will be afraid of nad karma. My life and experiences in general have been very extraordinary since I entered the womb. My relation to the deities is also very unusual. So hopefully noone will ever have to go through the same hell I have
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I can see again that the post hints to what I have shared. I could have just let it slide, but as I am sitting here with chronic injuries, it is going to be a bit tough to stay humble. And this is far feom being an argument or attack. Try and understand the complexities of the relation people have with so called gods, gurus, spiritual paths… Each so called human has a different blueprint. Th
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Now that I have snapped out of that very horrible zone, I feel quite embarrassed about my behavior on this forum. However it is also an indication of what decades of abuse (adding the spiritual abuse) can do to a person. I guess that the healing modality that I picked was more than I bargained for. And I could never imagine what kind of purge it would be. When we have been abused and could not
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Yes. The endless arguing about how people see krishna consciousness must come to an end on this forum. And also psychoanalizing and attacking those who process deep trauma should also be taken in consideration. A respect for every individual to share their experiences is key. If we do not get these experiences, move on. No need to make someone feel bad about them. Anyway Thanks Rick for offer
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After many years of suffering from the pains of spiritual abuse, I can say that I am ready to leave it all behind, Puring the hurt on this forum has been extremely helpful in helping release the pain. I realized that spiritual abise is on a different level as material emotional abuse. It destroys our connection with the divine. A connection that a cultic setting can distort. Making you feel gui
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I did not have the intention of posting here again but did not feel like playing Jesus and turn the left cheek. So there was no need to invite me to leave the forum so arrogantly. My last posts were nothing but filled with good intentions. But even though I came from a place of balance and kindness, I still was met with the dragon’s fire. I know what it feels like to hold that spirit of re
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I did not make some peaceful posts in order to create a Tsunami. I just shared how I have been feeling lately about the cult and how the emotions were destroying me and my heart. Run Forest Run, I often come here with a spirit of defeat? I guess I have earned another label. And I should leave and let those who fight the good fight do their job? Let us not feel too much like some marvel super
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Yes this is the way I felt too. I thought it is my job to deliver the karma or get revenge for the pain the had imposed upon me. Whatever the hell karma is, trying to make other people pay because the so called divine forces don’t give a damn, has been costly. I confronted a family member abuser. And I realized it is easier for me to suffer than to make a person pay for what they have done t
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Culthusiast. Let it go. The guru in that process will always be seen as perfect and pure. Nobody will ever have the courage to see the “dark” side of SoI. Those who do, are no longer there obviously. Devotees are absolutely blinded by bliss and the power of illusion. So RIP. They are happy in their service and hope of getting of the will. They will never recognize spiritual abuse because abus
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Hi Frandee, Thank you for your kind words. KC is a powerful path with many positive aspects. But it has been transformed into a cultic setting and it is not truly a practical path for this age. I feel as though I have made peace with the spiritual abuse. Hopefully people will understand that spiritual life should not be so painful. Take care.
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I said I would never post here and I meant it. I just wanted to say that purging the hurt and abuse here, has been quite healing. And exposing the nasty aspects of SoI is crucial. To both new comers as well as those who are in. They must understand that their actions have consequences and clean their acts. But what I have realized is that we can either grow and kearn from painful experiences
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Let us not get too technical. I am beyond the Vedas BS. I play the game at a very different level. And let us stop speaking in riddles. I cannot even be understood in here. I know very well what is up. I have chosen to enter at war with the so called gods and they are not just some pics on the wall. They are nasty as hell and do present themselves as such in every scripture by punishing humans
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I have been often mocked and belittled in here for saying that when you retaliate against the science of identity, something bad happens. This is of course my experience and it cannot be just coincidence. It is a pattern that I have noticed in my life way too often to think it is jut random. But I do it anyways because it is the right thing to do and I also have to take revenge for what they
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Sorry! I just saw my post. It is typo galore. I need to put auto correct on. I am not sure why I did not read it again. The leasers. Lol! I hope you will figure out what I meant. I may have been in a trance or something. Anyway. Time to slowly let go. If thy ever dare touching anybody here on this forum with legal actions, here is what awaits them. They have broken many immigration laws. An
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I thoughy about what you said. That my post were triggering. Id it is because they remind one of their own experiences, I am sorry. There is nothing I can do about it. I am a very raw and honest person. And also someone who may one day write a book. I do not really care about privacy because this role I play is not me. When I die, the souk will go onto other adventures. It is important tha
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Imagine how it feels discovering the person you loved and trust the most on the planet, is a fraudster, abuser, user… And that his minions such as midgett are also on it indirectly. I had to stand against souls I had the greatest respect for. Yes it is heavy stuff. I lost some of the greatest and kindest friends. I will be more tolerant toward all those who enter this forum. Appologies to al
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Frozen Nick, sorry about your experiences. And thank you for your kind note. You are not alone. And I am here anytime you need to talk. We can even communicate outside of the forum. I will for sure help you in any way possible. I lash out easily because I have been a doormat all my life and asides from spititual abuse, I carry abuse from my own family. Processing it all take so much courage.
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When you know the whole truth about them and have aeen so much with your eyes, it is almost toxic to even think about them. It actually gives you nausea. That level of lies, secrecy, hypocrisy, elitism, favoritism… Forget about spiritual etiquettes. Even on a level of moral codes. I went too far insulting Baklava das, but I hate it how some of them have created heaven on earth, while others are
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