I think that if there is truly a divine justice, they are in charge of judging our actions. When I said do not give him too much credit, I meant that he is being seen as a pure Acarya with the help of illusion as well as some extraordinary forces that are beyond him. I meant he did not get to that position by charisma alone. SoI does not have ill intentions in general. They are just misled
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Let us not give this little punk butler too much credit. A person who is afraid of his own shadow cannot possibly lead thousands of people without the help of unseen forces. Yes turned out to be as it turned out to be. Like any other religion out there. Enter at your own risk. You may end up with a good wife, husband, post your amazing life on Instagram. Be related to the likes of coward midgett
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Why did Jesus say forgive them as they do not know what they are doing? Because imho, he knew that his ennemies were acting under some dark forces influnences. We are all capable of terrible as well as amazing things. Bhakti Yoga and the mantras are a tool to push one towards going beyond their so called demonic influences. How many humans are so spiritually mature that they can just walk ar
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Ultimately none of us is here to please others by validating each other. We just share our experiences and views. I have explained that from my experiences, what keeps most devotees prisoner is the mystical aspect of this path. And I believe that it is a very important and valid factor. And I explained many times that I am not the only person who has experienced it. I have listend to many o
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I am sorry to disagree. It is not up to us to judge if our insights will or not benefit anyone else. I have been in truth seekers circles circles for years. I can assure you that we appreciate insights very much as we seriously try to decode this very complex reality. Even though imho, we will never be able to find out the whole truth. Appologies again if my stories or views may be annoying a
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butler, his minions, maya, kali yuga, demonic natures… Will always be the perfect scapegoats. I will keep exposing them. But I know all quite well who is pulling the strings of this puppet show. The name of the game is to keep souls broken and traumatized so that they will never realize who and what they truly are. And noone does this job as well as butler and his mini demonic disciples. but
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I miss the days when I blindly accepted the religious narrative. I wish I could be like most humans and that I had never been exposed to the fringe side of this reality. Life is so much easier when you have faith that you deserve all that happens to you. And that there is a greater plan. That god is control. We deserve all that happens to us, including spiritual abuse… Until I have very solid
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I heard that BV Narayana encouraged 64 rounds a day. Imagine that. The butler devotees could barely keep up with 12 rounds and sometimes they were backed up and would catch up the next day. I remember the I am behind my rounds being used so often. Why? Beacuse all their time was spent on Wailana “service”. And now add Tulsi’s campaign. All they have really are kirtans and Appearance days. An
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Interesting story anout an ex Iskcon guy who threatened to kill Tulsi few years ago.
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I would trust a Pitbull to protect me more than this process. What protection do you have when you get abused day and night within the juristiction of krishna? When you serve him 24/7 with love, give your time, your love, your life.. I will never trust these deities again if they descended themselves to invite me back. Unfortunately the whole submissive dog and spiritual masochism does not ap
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To be honest with you, I have no trust in anything and anyone. Why didn’t the so called divine forces take care of butler. They have shown me their full power. And I have no doubt that they can arrange absolutely anything. Imagine how easy it would have been to have a white shark take a good bite out of butler in the ocean. Problem solved. Same thing with all the Iskcon gurus. All roaming arou
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What is quite amazing is that they try to promote the philosophy and krishna after literally destroying the reputation of krishna. I see so many strangers commenting as to how much Hawaii locals load them. How disrespectful they are… They kind of just do whatever the hell they want. The deities will still reward anybody who worships them. I remember when I was changing with these clowns, I
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Tulsi’s answer to journalist On whether she thinks it’s inappropriate to ask a presidential candidate about growing up in a home with shrines to a man who is considered a cult leader “I do. I think that is a very religious bigoted question to ask because it just shows the lack of even interest or understanding about what Hinduism, Vaishnava Hinduism, is about. Right now you're taking m
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Just came across a young woman who said that her mom was kicked out of SoI for being gay (old timer). She has actively tried to expose the Tulsi scam. Another kid victim such as Rama. Not all who fight them have come on this site apparently. Odd fact: Vishwananda and butler share the same birthday. Unlucky 13. Funny how he is not even truthful about his birthday and they made it the 14. lo
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Culthusiast, that is grand of BV Narayana to try and reach out. He owes this dude nothing. He did not go steal his disciples. They were smart enough to see that he was more genuine than their imitation guru. But if this is true, it is to BV Narayana’s advantage not to have associated with such a corrupt person. Maybe they were embarrassed to ask him to wear a mask and do a parasite cleanse b
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Vera City, I have gone down the rabbit hole for many years now and aware of the WEF. Very informative post. Thank you. I have seen a few people mention it in youtube comments. Those who are smart can see through TG’s BS. Unfortunately most are under the spell of her youth, average decent looks, the fact that she served in the army, hold spititual and moral values… What makes me smile is when
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I remember the narcissist and manipulator butler shaming the disciples who looked for other gurus. What an amazingly smart ass this butler dude is. He never praised any living genuine bhakti masters. He made himself look like the hottest deal on the planet. We just kep praising the departed vaishnabas from hundreds of years ago. F course the dead cannot compete with him. He should have actu
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Did you stay in touch with the devotee from Poland who became a follower of BV Narayana?
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I am not sure there is a spiritual path on earth that is as abuse and narcissist friendly as Krishna consciousness. The physical abuse (lack of sleep, maxing out people like mules) is seen as austerity. The emotional and verbal abuse is seen as mercy and chipping the false ego. And everything under the moon and the sun is seen as Karma (including SPIRITUAL abuse). The guru, no matter how demo
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People often speak of second hand smoke. There is nothing worse than second hand mental and personality disorders. Nothing more destructive and dangerous. Now mix both personality disorders with the mental ones and you get quite a bomb. I truly know this subject very well. Many people who deal with such materialistic issues are constantly seeking help and support to deal with those who ar
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Feeding the homeless is not fancy enough for these materialistic devotees. The kind that make butler proud such as Atmasfera and Tulsi are worth being mentioned. The lowly servants better serve in the kitchen and clean toilets. I remember when someone was very useful and talented, the leader of our center took so much pride in it. It was almost as though she was a talent agent and that she c
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Culthusiats, I guess that the devotees are mostly worried about Atmasfera in the Ukraine. Because as we know it, in this group only the useful, talented, pretty… and the elite are important. Others are just another bowing head. Who cares if a bimb falls in your head. It will just mean graduation and going back home. But let us save the musical demigods of SoI at all cost.
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Voxveritas Vita Das, these past 1.5 years have made me sick to my stomach. I already knew this group was non sense but after studying it deeper in here, it became almost a horror movie. I am absolutely ashamed that I was part of that criminospiritual organization. Well finally butler has found his field: Politics. Where all the dishonest people such as himself roam. It is unfortunate he did
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I have decided that what I experienced at SoI is not something I will call Bhakti Yoga. So I am not qualified to judge this practice because I have never been exposed to the real deal. What I experienced was a perverted version. A so called guru who has not conquered his own lower self trying to take others to higher planes is absurd. There are a few pearls that has been thrown to swines i
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Hi Haley. Henri Jolicoeur has a youtube channel on cult exposure. He is also active in this forum. Try to reach out to him on FB.
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Run forest Run, Consider yourself fortunate in your misfortune for not having experienced any transcendence. This makes it easier to turn your back and have no doubts that it was all bogus. In my case I could never have that certitude as my experiences could only be featured in scifi movies. Apparently this path and deities relate to everybody in different ways. So your views and conclusio
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Run Forest Run, you are truly educated in this area. It is really good as you can debate about it. I truly believed absolutely everything when I was chanting. And unfortunately my faith was based in the internal feelings mixed with the mystical. Now that I am outisde looking in, I feel so sorry for those who are being used. We can say whatever we want about the philosophy. But it was not desi
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Run Forest Run, let me tell you something. I know that this is not something you have experienced yourself in that process. The number one motivation of any devotee in general is bliss. It is the happiness they get from relating to Krishna. They are blissheads instead of potheads. And instead of wake and bake, they wake and bliss out. The fact that a person walks around with oozing eczema and
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I found this comment by a poor guy named jake on the net: “Siddha swarup is a pure devotee of Krishna, if iskcon accepted him in the beginning, it could have avoided fall down, he is the most dear disciple of bhaktivedanta swami”. Same illusion I was sold. That butler was the only good man left behind by ABC. Imagine how bad Iskcon is when they make butler look so good. Let us rem
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I spent all these years goving credit to buthead for leaving Iskconk when it went down the toilet. I first though he cared formhis guru. Then I found out he was nevee too pleasing to his guru. I now think that he did not want to be the 12 th naked emperor. That he wanted his own kingdom. And then he found his plastic queen. There were not enough female disciples around. He had to have anothe
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