So I found another gem of wisdom from Bhaktivedanta. Dictatorship is good if the dictator is highly qualified spiritually. Yes those ideals of the good king like the Lord of the Rings are amazing and maybe it existed 10000 years ago. If we want to brainwash ourselves that the myths are correct. However how can one even mention the benefits of a dictatorship in this age of Kali? I have
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What have they realized other than they are free labor slaves of a non sensical master. They have always been in a painful cruel illusion. The protection of Maya and Krishna come at a very high cost. People basically sell their souls completely. Why do I say protection of Maya? Because only illusion can allow one to stand following 9 pages kitchen rules to serve an abusive guru. I was blin
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Duality pushes us to the ultimate soul test. What is a greatest test than to recognize evil in those who are supposed to be the pure of the purest. The moral codes of those who think abuse in spiritual setting is fine, must be questioned. Iskcon and SoI are playing their role really in bringing evil unto the surface. These souls have embraced corruption, slavery, fear, lies, secrecy… But t
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The level of spiritual mental illness SoI members suffer from is beyond repair. So god will never encourage vigilantes to try and take down such rotten and corrupt institutions. Having his names dragged into the gutter. However he is fine with watching abuse and pedo gurus. I have never seen such level of ignorance. And how they deliver those statements with absolute authority. They want to gas
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Run Forest Run, all these philosphies and theories are programs. People like to un on one program that will give them solace. One gains nothing from reading the 1000 bhaktivedanta books if they are still in an illusion. The religious programs offer a decent guidelines for humans to act in a more decent way. They cannot be dismissed for sure. However all religious programs still want to kee
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When getting in touch with these devotees,I feel sick for a few days. To see the passivty of these people and their obsession to ony dwell in peace and bliss. They want you to just put all the damn abuse under the rug, to never look at any ugliness and just focus on that fake relationship with god. One is just based on worship exchange and obdedience. They think that this is the only side an
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Run Forest Run, I have no doubt that people do not make things up. I just needed to have someone who witnessed with their own eyes to confirm it. So today I got an email from a good friend in the community. I will not copy and paste her email out of respect. I was told that I am playing vigilante. That I see myself and others as victims. That a vigilante has no faith that god is in control a
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Haley, have you ever considered going public about it? Like on some cult podcats? I got really bad vibes from him on youtube. One thing he totally lacks is charisma. Even if the world ends, we do not need gurus. Glad you escaped. It is very hard to wake up those who stay.
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Has this been shared?
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What is really outrageous is that some people are forced to surrender their business to them. Like the Cassava chips that were an independent devotee company. It now has the property of WL. With her picture. Or the cookbook devotees have such a hard time putting together. They take credit for everything. What a scam. I wonder if the poor devotees who started the business get a bit of money o
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Fohr, in the past years I have realized that sticking to just one path is not the way to fully grow. I feel as though bhakti yoga is kind of a lala land illusion that protects us from the outside world. They tell you never to look at anything else. Not to google butler… So basically if you are in the cult and never google butler, you will think till the end that he is the pure and only Rep. o
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Thanks Cuthusiast. Maybe we know the same person. I had a friend from Poland who left chanting gradually after she returned from krchen duty. You know the saying: “If you cannot take the heat, stay out of the kitchen”. Imagine the irony how they sing the praise of mother earth. So if they care so much, imagine the amount of tin foil, masks, gloves… that are used to serve thes impure devotees
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I know a lot of old timers have left the conversation. I need to know about the paper bag. Has anyone witnessed it directly? Like seeing it with your own eyes and what was the context? Did it happen often? Cuthusiast, are people in Poland also recruited to slave day and night for wailana. I guess those who speak english? Are there any insiders they can confirm if people are still being fine
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It is not that complicated. If the gods of religions turly exist, they want us to be subordinate. If one has a dog, they will expect the dog to act like a dog and not take owner the whole house. Unless they are weak owners. Krishna just happens to be the most demanding of the deities. Or at least this is how Iskcon introduced him to the western world. You must always think of him day and night
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My instincts tell me that her account is possibly related to SoI. Until I hear her version, in case she answers, I have to consider that possibility. Then 9 pages kitchen rules is the greatest proof that devotees are being treated like slaves. And that there is a huge psychosis going on. But thankfully you have that list too. I did not take shots of it unfortunately. Noone and nothing can bre
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Hi Fohr. Welcome to the butler vortex. Nice to have you in here. Glad to see you are feeling more normal. How do devotees lose the sense of self? I personally was thrown into it so hard, I will never understand. And in all honesty nothing in life will ever compare to the happiness I got from relating to Krishna. I would get up at 5 the same way a mother should be pleased to go through aust
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Ok. So I have some interesting news. The twitter account of the journalist who wrote meanwhile in Hawaii has been deleted. Why? I suspect it is because of the 9 pages kitchen rules that without any doubts proves that this false idol is an abusive lunatic. Imagine their distress when they found out about it. Oh poor soldiers of lord chaitanya. The demons have rained on your heavenly parade of l
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When I speak of a safe place, I am not referring to trauma alone. I just wanted to make sure that chastisment does not become a norm on this forum. I am not as fragile as I sound in here. As I said it befre, we are all many sides to us. Yes the spiritual trauma that has been installed in me, has affected me very badly but it is not the end of the world. I see my passage at SoI as an inf
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Run Forest Run, frozen nick who is not even an ex SoI member was quite clear as to how I come across: Holier than thou Iskcon fanatic. You see, I find it absolutely amazing that someone who has not even been affected by butler directly uses such familiarities with me. This forum is not a spiritual tourist attraction. It must be a safe place for those who have suffered in the hands of butler.
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I just have to clarify something very important. In case many more in here felt I am just an arrogant, annoying krishna fanatic who knows nothing more. There are possibly many more who have judged me in here. I was told that this is the ONLY path I know. That would urely make me look even more arrogant. How the heck does anybody in here know my spiritual resume? And how was it determined tha
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Many years ago when I was looking for a meditation class and enlightnment, I came across an attractive brochure. It was about meditation, Karma, reincarnation… The most attractive part of it was that was free. I could certainly afford to pay for a class, but it showed me they were sincerely wanting to help others. All the classes and gatherings (with food) are free or donation based. They
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There are many complexities that come with these cults. Every single person is on their own trip and their own reality. This forum is no longer a place I can enter without a shield or second gessing myself. Even though we are total strangers, we give ourselves freedom to attack each other. My massive arrogance, anger is mostly directed toward butler and the abuse that goes on in the cult. It
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Run Forest Run, Your rejection of it all is solely your business and nobody else’s. As you said it, you are fine with who you are. The way others view us is their business. We spent way too many years held hostage of the approval of the cult leaders and members. This journey is extremely individual and we all have our stories which seems to be quite different from each other. I know that b
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Run Forst Run, what is magic anyway? Also here we are talking about black magic, which is a totally different story and a very long one. Look at me. I stayed because of the supernatural phenom from the start. It was not the only reason but it is what kept me hostage of blind faith. You say you would have stayed if you had witnessed some siddhis. butler has a few powers. He can produce holy f
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Corby, amongst butler’s followers you can find absolutely stellar souls. Extremely humble but not doormats. Very respectful. Not feeeling superior to anyone… A sincere devotee should not feel superior to others whatsoever. If some do, it is a sign of fanaticism. Those who come from solid, healthy upbringing, stable mental and emotional health, have an easiser time navigating the whole humil
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Run Forest Run, thanks for being so open about your experiences as a kid. It is quite amazing that you were able to bounce back. Do you remember the “if I come back, I wish to be a fly in the home of the pure devotee”. How do they come up with that stuff? I am grateful I had the freedom to try and find what truly resonated with me. This is something I will never take for granted. The proce
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Culthusiats, devotees are not immuned to such attacks. Be it mental or spiritual. I would truly be careful about the black magic rumor. There are things that my heart rejects as false info and this is one them. Hyperdimentional attacks are well known in some communities. It is hard to know why and how it happens to some. But I doubt that butler has anything to do with it personally. I just
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Culthusiast what are the suspicious actions, reported abilities… Are those just rumors or facts? Please elaborate if possible. I have a hard time buying this one. Even though at this point nothing will surprise me. I remember when we thought we were saving the world by spraying maha water on the gatherings food. Or the sense of being some kind of undercover spiritual agent when you helped
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Truly sorry Frozen Nick and thanks for being honest. I hope that my wasting so much time in here speaking of the supernatural does not just end with the conclusion that: These are just my experiences and they do not serve anybody else. I have had some minor experiences with the deities of abrahamic religions. Everyhing just went next level as soon as I started chanting the maha mantra and
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I doubt they are doing black magic woodoo. However I seem to be the only person who is discussing the supernatural aspect of the path. It feels a bit lonely and lunatic to be the only one bringing it to the table. The way I personally ended in the group and everything else I have experienced with this group feels like magic. I have said it many times that I feel butler is backed up by some f
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