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11 years ago
Keir
Sometimes I feel its important to reclaim these words from these groups. Yes you are right its quite disguisting on how they perverse the original psychological meaning of these terms. Infact it has been written by cult watch experts and known as "cult speak" or "cult speech". To qoute from a cult watch site: "5. Cult-speak. The cult has its own language. T
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuotequestBut I still have a lot in my mind that believes it. .... It is because the propaganda & polemics has been implanted in your subconcious mind. Fear is one of the stronegst emotions (self preservation is in our DNA given by nature). Alot of these mind manipulative groups exploits this fear self preservation. It will take time to remove the propaganda from your subconcious mind.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
Quotequestone of the hardests things i have felt, it to be cut off from the group, where I thought i had friends. Once you start saying things are not right etc.. and try to talk to the "leaders" about it, you are made to feel that there is soemthing wrong with you. Since I have left, no one contacts me any more or responds to my emails. This to me is a sign that it is'nt a healthy
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnosticThanks for that reference, Keir It would be interesting to figure out how many people since Victor Gomez Sr. have declared themselves to be masters. I know of Joaquin Amortequi (Robolu) and Mark Pritchard. I would assume that his wife, Litelante (?) and his son, Osiris declared themselves masters of some sort. There has been a number of them. Litelantes real name is Arno
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnostic Interesting that his teachings can be directly, in ideas anyways to those of Aleister Crowley ... He took teachings from a number of sources. Such as from the Theosophical Society, Krumm Heller's FRA, Gurdjief, Don Mario Roso de Luna, etc. He's mainly a synthesizer. The Golden Dawn etc was synthesizing systems long befor he was even born. Various occult groups
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
Check out: " Plataforma del P.O.S.C.L.A. (Partido Obrero Socialista Cristiano Latino-Americano)" (1967) Robolu Joaquin Amortegui is just another former student/friend of weor. He broke away when weor died. Theres a whole bunch of people who broke away. They take alot of things from others and then turn around to back stab & denounce the short commings of these teachers. They
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnostic Although you can see it if you read between the lines of his writings it would be great to be able to translate some of these books about him because we could likely provide evidence for his totalitarian, fundamentalist and fanatic origins in politics. His admiration for Adolf Hitler and his previous involvement in South American fascist politics. From what I have read of
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnostic Those involved in his teachings may hate one another, but those who have left it can come together. Bravo!
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnosticIt would also be good if we could create a network of ex Samaeleans, to support each other in a quest to find what we were really looking for when we got into Victor Gomez's (Samael Aun Weor) garbage teaching. Those involved in his teachings may hate one another, but those who have left it can come together. I agree this would be very good. I wish more former Samaeleans
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnosticI am thinking about writing a detailed critique of Mark Pritchard's (Bezlebuub) books and I would like to post them on this site. Should that be done in this forum or should I start another one? Thanks Maybe it my be better as a seperate post. Bezlebuub is only One of the problems. There are many many others including Weor who are the heart of the problem.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnostic ...It's great to hear that you have taken away a respect for other world religions. You should try learning about them on your own. I totally agree. QuotenotanantiGnostic... Recently I have been reading about the teachings of Buddha it is quite liberating to learn that his teachings are just perverted by Samael and his followers. Buddhism is just one example of co
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
Quotequest...But then the more you get involved, slowly it is more and more based areond Samael as the main figure, the one that can "save" you. But you are already so deep into it that you dont see what is happening. The people really beleive it and have expereinces with him etc.. As in astral expereinces with the Masters and Samael. ... This is similar to my experience as well. In m
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuotequestHi Keir, They leed you in as an inetersting group teaching about other religions, myths, art, symbolisim etc.. And I would say that all this info is quite good and interesting and has helped me to appreciate other religions and to see the common thread. Teachings of Jesus and Krishna, Buddha very similar etc.., the are common "truths" that are beyond the different faces of
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
Understanding is the first step. Fear is one of the strongest emotions of man. In particular self preservation (which is encoded by nature to our DNA). Cults will try to implant fear into your subconcious mind. Because its in your subconcious its hard to detect. But the good news is that people can deprogram the cult conditioning. Cults will always try to create another form of "reality&
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
11 years ago
Keir
Quotequestyes, i'm also a recovering ex-gnostic instructor and student. It will take me a long time to get over all the indoctrination that I went through. A lot of what you said is true, but some is exagerarted. I would be curious in with your personal experience with the group(s). It may take some time to get over the indoctrination because its been implanted in your subconcious mind bu
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnosticThanks Keir, That information really helps. I was wondering how safe it is to post here? If I put information that Gnostic Movement members don't like on this forum do they have a way to take it down? I mean of course as long as I follow all the rules here will what i post stay here, even if they don't like it? Its pretty safe. (Just remember to state its "
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
Quotequest I also believe that the people who make up the group are very idealistic, and the problem is that there is a very subtle control going on over people, it is a gradual process, but people make big life-decisions based on this subtle influence from the group and the main instructors. ... What you say is true. I have spoken to a number of former memebers from different splinter groups the
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
11 years ago
Keir
This link might be helpful. I started a topic about them a few years past.
Forum: Large Group Awareness Training, "Human Potential"
11 years ago
Keir
Alot of groups will condition a person into believing they are free to leave but manipulate them with feelings of guilt, shame, embarrasmsment and other psychological tactics. Its an illusion they they deliberate make.
Forum: Clergy and Therapy Abuse
11 years ago
Keir
Samael Aun Weor groups might fall under kundalini base cultish groups as well.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
The best way to to spread the word around is to create a website or blog to let the public know. Be warn they will try to spam the website's email and try to get the site shut down. (Typically these fanatics will try to drown out any criticism of them.) There use to be a site called comething like "GNOSIS- SOS" I do not know what happen to it. I presume it was shut down.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
Quotepeterhughes73 In AMORC nothing is left untouched, from the way you eat to the way you sleep. Prior religious, spiritual or social values are devalued by the group and replace by the dictates of the leaders. .... This is significant enough to get one's mental red light flashing.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Keir
QuotePeter Jones My concern is that she seems to be spending more and more time on this psychic line, using it as she does to influence everything from the purchase of groceries to what colour hat she should wear. It would be amusing if it were not for the rather invasive manner and how it seems to be taking over her entire life. Does anybody have any experience of this in the UK? I would
Forum: Abusive and Controlling Relationships
12 years ago
Keir
Just because there are groups (or individuals) who refer to themsleves as Christians doesnt mean that they are not a cult. There are certainly Christian cults out there.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
I hope it continues for generations to come. This board has been doing a real public service world wide. Thanks RR!
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
Regardless there are many people who are testifying bad experiences with Gurdjief groups. This alone should get one's red light warning. Also of course alot of Gurdjief groups acusses each other of heresy and what not. Of course they will say they are legit and the other groups are not. Alot of groups & sects do that to one another and should be no suprise.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
QuoteHopefulHello, You were asking if anyone had any biographical information on Mark Pritchard; I do have some as I belonged to the same Gnostic movement as him in the UK and met him on a couple of occasions. The movement was 'The Universal Chistian Gnostic Movement (New Order) i.e. the movement founded and run by 'VM Rabolu'. The movement was still fairly young in the UK wh
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
Thanks Corboy. Very interesting.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
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