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11 years ago
Keir
Quotenewonegurdjieffian tricksters love to lie and put on disguises and try to pass for something or someone they are not. this is sport for them. and psychological warfare. and 'fleecing the sheep.' they think it is fun and funny. and they honestly believe they are helping the poor inferior not-them people to wake up--seriously!!!!! Thank you Newone for saying this. It reminds me a
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnosticHi Keir, Most of the supporters of the Weor teachings are intentionally ignorant of most of what he or any teachers has to to say. This is the only way they could follow his teaching and not live on a compound somewhere. I remember when I was leaving and I wanted friends who I had met during my time with the Gnostic movement to see the problems, all of them simply misinterpr
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
Quoteheron I received the books and an initial glance at the astral book left me unimpressed as it was nothing like the Monroe book and seemed to be full of mantras, conjurations, mythology and religious clap-trap. You will also notice alot of Aun Weor's books are rhetoric & propaganda pieces. Its also meant to lead you to certain "conclusions". This 'leading metho
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
Quoteheron I looked on Amazon for other books and I chose Belzebuub’s book because it had 22 reviews and most of those customer’s had given it five-stars based on the fact that it was an easy to understand method that had apparently worked for them. Thanks Heron for your time and effort to post. As for the reviews its a common tactic for members to give themselves good customer reports to make
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
Thank you for sharing. I hope you continue to post. The more personal testamonies this site gets from these religious cults the better.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
I would add. That a number of sufi groups have stated that Gurdjieff teachings are not sufi. Now wether Gurdjieff was really a spiritual teacher or a con (has it ever even cross your mind?) is another thing. If I recall writer Ivan Stang in his "High Weirdness by Mail"* commented that Gurdjieff was "probably laughing all the way to the bank" (paraphrase). It sorta st
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnostic.... The earlier writings contain most of the lies, racism, sexism, pseudoscience and just outright psychopathy. I have to agree. You know Weor actually believe "The Beetles" were evil. I kid you not. Of course many supporters wont talk about these sort of things.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
Great find notanantiGnostic! I agree. I dont think his Christian up bringing has ever left him and it perverted & slanted his view on all other spiritual religions he viewed. In my opinion I think he was an ambitious man who always wanted to start his own organization from the beginning (starting with the F.R.A.) and was extremely envious of other organizations or spiritual leaders that
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
If I knew Gnosis-sos.org was going down I would have certainly down loaded information off the site. Rodriguize name all his children after dieties. Talk about being a meglomaniac huh?! Well you know the Ecuadorean government bann Weor groups proselytizing in their country (just like the German government banned scientology).
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
To luthergrunge (Or to those who may be thinking of joining a Gurdjieff based group) There has been some controversy wether Gurdjieff's teachings are really associated with Sufi teachings.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnosticIf there was ever a chance to receive the content that was posted at Gnosis-sos.org and repost it here for anyone who wants to see it that would be great. I personally dont have it. Maybe by slight chance someone else might.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuoteyasminSallie, you have a good point and it makes a lot of sense.Thank you. Tsukimoto, can so relate to what you say about sometimes missing the good things in the group.Will never go back, value freedom of thought too much, but there are things that I do miss. Thats the thing with all groups sadly. I guess thats why Charles Manson called his little cult "The Family". I heard
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnostic I am interested to see how effective they are in getting various organizations on the internet to silence dissatisfied apostates from their organization. I believe gnosis-sos.org was spamed and intimidated by tons of Weor followers and was eventually shut down. That site had alot of good testamonies from former members and knew their methods of operation in South America.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuoteFree_955 Anyway, what are the experiences people actually have when they supposedly see Samael on the astral plane? Does he say something like "stop tapping your foot. That is the way of the black lodge." Or does he say "you may appear to look good on the outside, but deeper down your intentions are damned and evil. You are unaware and lack the experience of me as the maste
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuoteFree_955 What do you think of these? How are they treated? Did the same happen to any of you. Yes it has happen to alot of people here. So your not alone. This video might help you. (Just dont watch it. Try to understand it.)
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11 years ago
Keir
"what you say is not based on experience" Problem with that is not all occultists are experiencing the same experiences (in particular in regards to the "astral plane".) Keep in mind Samael also took historical authentic teachings from other occult systems. Not to mention why do you think all these Samael followers are broken up into all these sects? If they are all experi
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11 years ago
Keir
The Samael Aun Weor movement isnt one organization so one can be critical of him or the entire movement. If you dont name specific organizations they cant do much. It is their intent to silence all criticism of them. Very cultish!
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11 years ago
Keir
You just have to be careful on your use of words thats all. Its generally not good ideal to out forth call a group a cult (even though it is true). Best to use words like "cultish" or "its in my opinion that its a cult" etc.
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11 years ago
Keir
QuotepegasusThat is a good point for me, that a teacher may teach you but not necessarily require you follow his every word, worship him and stop thinking for yourself. I havent looked into Taoism at all, so I might have a look. I must have thought that if a teacher has wisdom and wants to guide you, that he will do it in an absolutist way - he is always right and you are the student who doesnt k
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
11 years ago
Keir
Quotecorboy If this set up is active in California, get the word to the gay media that their internal policies are homophobic. The whole Samael Aun Weor movement is like that. One common trait is that the majority of them are highly fanatical. They are broken into many splinter groups. Some left when Samael Aun Weor (real name Víctor Manuel Gómez Rodríguez) was alive . The bulk majority left w
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuotepegasusWhy do I want to follow? Well, it must be because I was repeatedly taught in my group that the student needs a teacher to take them to enlightenment. This is a sticking point for me because I see it is not just in my group but in Hindu and Buddhist non cult literature that we need a teacher as well. I am afraid that if I do my own thing and dont take on a teacher that I will just
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
11 years ago
Keir
QuotepegasusHi everyone Thank you for your replies and that you tube video Keir - it was good. Your welcome Pegasus. I know the video has helped me and others. I'm glad it has helped you as well. Quotepegasus The thing is I cant just make myself believe that its ok to find my own path and I dont have to do anything for God. You can still serve God. You dont need a religious organizat
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11 years ago
Keir
One thing I learn about life is that one should find their own path. Everyone has their own unique experiences with life. Every is influence by their up bringing from how your parents raised you, the neighbourhood you grew up in, social status, friends and mentors you have met in life etc. With that in mind you are unique. So you need to find your own path. Not someone elses.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
11 years ago
Keir
Actually about a few year ago there was a wiki article on samaelean gnostic movement. There was so much fanacticism and attacks from one sect to another that wikipedia staff had to close the entire artcle. Seriously most people reading it would probably thought they were from another planet.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
QuotenotanantiGnosticWhen people come for the first few times, they do not disclose very much of their believe system. The teachers spoon feed the "teachings" to students gradually on the reasoning that they "do not want to over whelm the students with the "teachings" and that they should hear them "when they are ready". I think this is just a complex part of t
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
QuotepegasusHi everyone I am feeling very alone today and struggling with a fear that is gripping me, as it so often does; the fear that "I am doing something wrong because I am not praying, meditating or serving people" I feel so guilty and frozen with fear. pegasus Alot of cults will manipulate people using guilt, sense of obligation, fear tactics, "serving humanity" rhe
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
11 years ago
Keir
Too many red flags. I would be extremely careful around them. Going to an isolated location like a commune can be like a "death trap". Dont do it.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
11 years ago
Keir
Note: The reason why Jordan posted someones personal name is that its an INTIMIDATION tactic. (Wether he is the person or not or someone else pretending to be him is speculation.) Its an attempt to shut up those who who speak up against the group "we know who you are" type of threat. This is very cultish. QuoteJordan.. In my opinion, it is not right to spread lies about someone,
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
QuoteJordan................you also left it of your own volition; we haven't tried to keep you or anything like that as you have hinted in many of your posts here. This is a perpetuation of a common MYTH that cults hold people against their will. Infact the bulk majority of them dont. QuoteJordanHi Jeff (notanantiGnostic), .... The Gnostic Movement is an open and democratic organisa
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
11 years ago
Keir
This is a common tactic of Weor supporters to drown out any dissenting voices and hijack the thread. Funny thing is various Gnostic sites has systemically blocked any posters from voicing any criticism of weor. They have also played dirty tactics like email spam sites & intimdiation tactics that are critical of weor. Like that sos-gnostic.org site that use to up.
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