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12 years ago
Keir
121. Re: Subud
First of all I hope this isnt a group spam attack or thread hijack to silent any dissident voices. The Mods will act accordingly. Quoteriver song.. Subud members don't recruit as far as I know, at least not where I live. .. And this doesnt somehow make it Not A cult? A number of cults do not actively recruit members. Some groups operate by word of mouth or through "friends&q
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
Hi solea13 Sorry for the late reply. I'mve just been having problems with my computer. (I think its time to get a new one soon.) I hope you are strong willed enough to leave the group and never look back. You dont have to justify your reasons to them. They will use emotional manipulation and rational logic argumenst to try to keep you in thier grasp (I know how some of these groups op
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
Cults take on many forms. Not all groups operate the same way. One should always hear the side of dissidents of any group. There are always two side of the story.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Keir
Quotesolea13 I haven't been doing my practices. I just don't feel like it ... which is of course a huge no-no. I can't really say my group is a 'cult' right now. But I am scared to leave for many reason. The main thing being that we are doing 'God's work' of helping people' to survive the upcoming collapse of society. Of course, not wanting to do &
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
Quotepocodulce.... I have a personal belief that the Catholic church lies to people. I dont think its just the Cathlic church that does this. I'm sure that there are many other Chiristian denominations that do this. Quotepocodulce.... ....I also stated that all of the atrocities supported by the Catholic church throughout the centuries ..... Not just the Catholic church that supported
Forum: Coercive Persuasion and Undue Influence
12 years ago
Keir
I'm sure modern cults can take many forms. Heavens Gate certainly did attempt to recruit people through the internet though. "The Joy of Satan"(JOS) group for instance is practically an internet group although the core members do meet each other from what I understand (I'm not sure if other members meet the core leadership or not). JOS has already been accused of being a
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
QuoteSearch4TomorrowI have been meaning to post this for awhile, but never got around to it. Earlier this year a group of Feminist Wicaans broke into a number of churches. Urinated on pews and bibles, and deficated on the Cross. Clearly this is a religious hate crime, but I notice ,many people dont really seem to care as it was done against Christians and the attitude is they deserve everyth
Forum: Hate Groups
12 years ago
Keir
Thanks Silversoul for sharing. We need to hear more voices from former members. Many have not heard of this site befor.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
I dont know about these groups but I can say there are certainly on-line cults over the net. Look at "Heavens Gate" they had their own website. Thats of course befor the mass suicide.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
It comes down to organizations that wish to propagate their own propaganda and the supression of dissidents, criticism and or critical thought. (One's warning lights should be flickering!)
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Keir
I think its wise to here the critiques and criticism of any groups. From there at least you can make a better assesment of a group. Groups that supress any criticism & disention members are the ones that one should be really suspicious about.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Keir
Another group to keep an eye on is The Order of Nine Angels. Its another group run by neo NAZI's posing as satanist (traditional satanism that is).
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
Thanks Michael for the information. That clears things up. QuoteMichael Jones At that level you are fully brainwash and may not have a way out of the cult. Totally True. You become so indoctrinated & branwashed. And its difficult to leave feeling that you have dedicated so much of your life at that point only to find you have been mislead.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Keir
Thanks for the info Peter. Theres seem to be troubling trend of these type of groups.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Keir
I agree with BlueSkies. No sour grapes here. I do not consider myself a "satanist" nor do I care enough about JOS's Maxine Deitrich to be jealous of. From what I have reserched so far JOS its nothing but a neo NAZI front that preys on teenagers. Which should be exposed to the public for good reason. As for the Freemasons you should do some actual research Ozziecynic. Freema
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
I gotta get myself a copy. Now they have to write one for Samael Aun Weor, Joy of Satan, Gurdjieff, Order of Nine Angels and a few other groups.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Keir
Yeah you are right they do tend to target alot of teens. I heard nothing but bad things about them. Occasionally I find comments about them on various occult forums. There are a few former members that have met Maxine and found that she was nothing but a closet NAZI and that she is extremely jealous (especially if someone claims to have any pranormal success) and very controlling. You know
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
What is the degree system in AMORC???? (I just wanted to get a reference point on the significance of 12th temple degree). I hope I make sense.
Forum: Recovery from Destructive Cults and Groups
12 years ago
Keir
Have you seen the youtube videos about JOS. Most people see them as a joke. From what I understand (according to a poster on some occult forum) Maxine is pocketing about $10,000 from her website. In my opinion it has become nothing but a money making business. They seem totally ignorant in what they are teaching to their followers. Especially in regards to "Enki" etc. and they k
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
Thanks Yellow Beard. Its funny how Victor Gomez (aka Samael Aun Weor) followers quite often deliberatly give the impression that they are some how connected to historical Gnostics.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
Hi Kath your PM is full.
Forum: Hate Groups
12 years ago
Keir
Sorry repeat post (I'm making a mess here. My apologies.)
Forum: Hate Groups
12 years ago
Keir
So does anyone know of any? I know Order of The Solar Temple was an occult based cult. I'm sure theres more.
Forum: Hate Groups
12 years ago
Keir
Thanks Corboy. Your name sounds familar. I forget which posts you posted here befor now???? Its been awhile since I droped by.
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
The groups even have their own cult jargon and lingo. Quote from the link: 5. Cult-speak. The cult has its own language. The cult invents new terminology or euphemisms for many things. The cult may also redefine many common words to mean something quite different. Cult-speak is also called "bombastic redefinition of the familiar", or "loading the language". "Lo
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
Aun Weor is another one of those self profess "messiahs" who pretends that he is here to "save the world". He claims to be an Arch Angel, Avatar of the New Age, Regent of Mars etc. among other things. He writings are filled with tons of polemics against anyone who disagrees him. Refering to any other spiritual teachers as being inadequate or being black magicians, member
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
QuotedragoshmanThis groups must be investigated with discernment. If a sect has bad principles that doesn't mean that the others have them too.( it's like hating an unknown person because it resembles with a bad person). Unfortunately the root of the tree is rotten to begin with.
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
148. Gurdjieff
I think a post should be devoted to Gurdjieff and his teachings. There seem to be quite a number of posts here from fomer members of various Gurdjieff groups. It only makes me wonder if his teachings are nothing but distructive. There are a number of Sufis that are now saying Gurdjieffs teachings are not related to authentic sufi teachings. "Oct 30, 1998 Re Moura
Forum: "Cults," Sects, and "New Religious Movements"
12 years ago
Keir
I believe there are a number of Sufis that are now saying Gurdjiefs teachings are not related to authentic sufi teachings. "Oct 30, 1998 Re Mouravieff: Some Sufis claims that Gurdjieff's Work is a bastardization of Sufism. Some Buddhists claim that Gurdjieff borrowed many of his ideas from the Buddhist tradition, including Vajrayana. And Mouravieff claims that Gur
Forum: Former Cult Members and Affected Families
12 years ago
Keir
" Latin American Cults Watched Following California Suicides " Apr. 07, 1997 QUITO, Ecuador (CWN) - Latin American nations have taken initiatives to control and even ban some cults under Gnostic or New Age influence in order to prevent a massive suicide similar to the "Heaven's Gate" suicide cult that occurred recently in California. In Quito, Ecu
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