Have you ever applauded after a comment during a church service? Just once. When? It was at a Sunday morning feast service in the Valley. The pastor/dentist told the congregation that he was just there for Gary & Marilyn, no one else. And you applauded that? Yes. At the time, I just didn't want anyone to be in church because of me. It was sort of a relief.
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Imapurple wrote: The evil I’ve seen with Rick, his mother and Gary goes without saying. Not to mention others like Scott, Steve and others. Yes, the fruit of top leadership not being accountable, in practice, to the congregation. Here's the first three (of ten) warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader, according to Rick Ross: Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful
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How long have you been in this church? Twenty three years And who is your designated relationship? John Robert Hargrave How old is he? Five. But he'll be six next month. ________________________________________ Reep wrote: And I had zero idea that Marilyn's idea for getting John back was to make a "baby JRS" with Gary Hargrave. Oh my. That's a scar
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Reep: And this Marilyn quote, "I don't need you. I have to move fast to get John back." Well, ain't that the truth! And little did we know what, exactly she was talking about. Or exactly how fast she was moving. With Gary, that is. A few people on this forum shared these details. (Onion, Imapurple). And I had zero idea that Marilyn's idea for getting John back was to
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True, Reep.
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From Jan. of 2019: Posted by: pressingonbyHisgrace Date: January 03, 2019 01:48PM Do you remember the phrase "You're killing John"? This was said to people who were not toe-ing the line correctly, in the late 70's and early 80's. The responsibility of God not moving John into resurrection life was laid upon the congregation. We were told (mostly by Marilyn Hargrave
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The Wikipedia entry:
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Good summation: Posted by: that little red flag Date: March 20, 2019 09:33AM While we are on the subject, you know what really rankles me? JRS, Gary, Marilyn, Rick, and others getting away with lying, abuse of clergy, cover-ups, deception, offerings, sexual misconduct, all night prayer, multiple affairs, bad stewardship of funds, breaking up marriages, abandoning children, etc., etc.,
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Off topic: I'm in the process of writing a new song which I am convinced will be a big hit. I've decided to share what I've written so far, confident that those who frequent this forum are extremely unlikely to plagiarize other people's work. Anyway, here it is for your enjoyment: Well, I won't back down No, I won't back down You can stand me up at the gates
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From January of 2020: Posted by: Lilith Date: January 03, 2020 10:49AM Onion Wrote: > "CHHP filed an amendment changing the name of > that corporation to HFM-A Living Word Ministry. > That gave them the ability to take the money paid > for the church property into their Hargrave Family > Ministries account." Changedagain Wrote: > I wonder if long-ti
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Posted by: Altar_Kent Date: February 23, 2004 12:18AM Is anyone familiar with this movement? It is based in Kalona Iowa at a camp/compound called Shiloh. IT is primarily located in the United states, but also has churches in Brazil and japan. It was founded by John Robert Stevens and first called the walk. Stevens came out of the Latter Rain movement, built quite a congregation, and then die
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Thanks, Reep.
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Discussion group stats: Comments: 12,447 Page views: 3,540,186 Thank you to all who have contributed to this discussion through the years-- including, but not limited to: UnapologeticallyJohn832, Reepicheep, puddington, kBOY, that little red flag, reveal, sierradawn, larrybobo, GSchaeff, Onion, Filthy Apron, PowerTrip, Saw enough, FCSLC, 4generation, TheSarge, Lilith, Je
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A post by 'Reachingforward' from January 2019: Posted by: Reachingforward Date: January 11, 2019 12:20PM I have been reading this forum for several years and am finally making my first post. I was in TLWF for 22 years. It's been 20 years since I left and I still have a difficult time explaining this experience to anyone. Like so many on this forum, my family and I gave ever
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What is the one thing Gary said about you that was meant as an insult, but you considered a compliment? That I did not have a Kingdom sense of humor. Do you have any idea what that means..to have a Kingdom sense of humor? No. I just know I don't want it. Listen, you lazy piece of -- What? Calm down. It's not a big deal. I'm comfortable with the lower level. It'
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Boy, isn't this true--a daily quote from my inspirational wall calendar. This one has held up especially well through the years: "Shiloh is the center of the universe." -John Robert Stevens Kingdom Apostle #SoundDoctrine
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(approximately 10 minutes left on the SAT--seem to be doing pretty well) Excuse me. We need you to help us move some furniture. Now? Yes How long will it take? No more than ten minutes. O.K.--I'll get to it.
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As an aside, I had a dream last night about Mahesh and Scooty McDougall(sp).The only thing I can recall is there was no humor, and no one received a healing. Sadly, I'm not looking forward to going to sleep tonight, worried that this might become a series. #MaheshAndScooty /s
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Reep wrote: For any readers who are not familiar with the term "bad spirit", it took me years to catch on to the actual meaning...which is that you are grouchy over the bad behavior of a church authority figure. That type of attitude is simply not allowed in a cult such as The Living Word Fellowship/The Walk. True
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A brief exchange with Reep: Posted by: changedagain Date: January 10, 2020 03:49PM Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is it just me, or were all the women who were > "Marilyn" to their Kingdom Facility/locsl church > inherently antisocial, malicious, spiteful, > overbearing women? Good question, Reep. I think if they w
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From Feb. of 2018: Posted by: girls_turn_it_off Date: February 20, 2018 04:59AM Hi - new poster here! I have known about this forum for years, but never looked it up until the other day. Once I started reading I couldn't stop - even after my husband told me to (talk about not submitting my spirit!). I binge read the entire thing, all 500+ pages... There is too much to say, and
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A little over six years ago: Posted by: 40yearsin2016 Date: April 04, 2017 06:55PM (excerpt) After all this time I've never encountered one shepherd who acknowledged their complicity in the cult - most have lived out their lives in denial. This is quite something considering the number of players involved. In speaking with a few of them through the years, any acknowledgement of t
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Martha: How was your time in Holy Jim Canyon? John: I was transported seven years into the future, and I saw the Kingdom. Martha: Did Marilyn, or one of your other girlfriends see it too? John: GET BEHIND ME, SATAN!
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A little over four years ago: Posted by: fool me twice Date: June 28, 2019 05:32AM Changedagain posted: Date: June 28, 2019 12:20AM Walk history would have been radically different if John the Kingdom Apostle had simply owned up to being unfaithful to his wife and mistress--and admitted his being transported from Dec. 1972 to Dec 1979 to witness the coming Kingdom was a fabrication. May
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Q. You run a stop sign and get pulled over by police officer. What, if anything, do you say before being asked for your driver's license and registration? A. Sorry officer, I wasn't listening to the Holy Spirit. It won't happen again. Trust me.
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Q. You see some guy, obviously drunk, recklessly driving a golf cart. He is now heading dangerously close to you. What, if anything, do you say to him? A. Hello King David!
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Q. What did you get from your communal living experience? A. Two ulcers that little red flag wrote: I think I've mentioned this before, but my DR actually told me I needed to start drinking more. (Disclaimer: I actually do like a number of drinks but my stomach does not, per two ulcers acquired in my early 20's - probably brought on by the communal home I lived in!)
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I wonder if any of these VIPs ever experienced boot camp. It seems to me that this is not the behavior of those who have a "broken spirit." I could be wrong. #BrokenGolfCart Posted by: GSchaeff () Date: May 28, 2018 07:59AM The frosted mugs, yes! Or if you made the pilgrimage to Shiloh for SOP it was the golf carts you were allowed to drive. I don't know where they got thos
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You need to start drinking more! #WordFromGod Posted by: that little red flag Date: January 06, 2020 08:56AM CHANGEAGAIN: I think the main reason I was apprehensive about the level of intoxication within the ranks of 'ministries,' is that they were often assuming a role of managing (to put it lightly) people's lives. I've witnessed and also received truly bizarre d
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You will need to pay for room and board, but then you get to work for free. It's a win-win! (just started listening) Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, another Oops! I'm In A Cult podcast is up on > Spotify. Thank you to Scott Barker and Charity > Navalesi for doing these excellent deep dives into > the effects that T
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