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7 months ago
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I have a question. Whenever someone submitted something, especially during the G&M era, ministries would say they would "pray" about it or "wait on the Lord" about it. Did anyone actually observe this prayer and waiting on the Lord happen...ever? I suspect even God did not witness it. He too must take it by faith.
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7 months ago
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All the teachings about the necessity of not coming to conclusions based on the reasoning of the mind, but instead looking for a "revelation"...which conveniently only came through the route of obedience...made us easy to control. Attending five services a week (or so) over many years, coupled with a constant emphasis on providing 'volunteer' labor on behalf of church authori
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7 months ago
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One of the earliest comments in this forum, back in 2006. It's a description of one young adult's experience at Shiloh summer camp. In a subsequent post, this person says the year was 1992. Posted by: recoveredfinally Date: October 07, 2006 10:46AM Shiloh really was a slave camp. I was forced to work all day long in the blazing heat cutting rose bushes one summer. I fainted fr
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7 months ago
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A post by GSchaeff from June of 2018: Posted by: GSchaeff Date: June 30, 2018 01:28AM This was a PM I was given permission to share: I was attending YASP around 2004 when a young boy from DC remarked that Gary would always starts summer camp with a word on repentance. "It's just a formula," the boy said, " starts with a one or two words (sermons) on repentance so th
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7 months ago
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Reep wrote: I was especially looking at Lesson 39: Babylon. It was changed considerably and sanitized of many of the references to Mary the mother of Jesus being compared to Semiramus, queen of heaven. Interesting how many years after John plagiarized, I mean wrote the First Principles, some churches would worship his second wife...now married to another man. That doesn't seem scriptural
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7 months ago
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Thank you for sharing this, Reep. You may have motivated me to dig through the clutter in my garage and see, if indeed, I decided to retain the book "The Shape of Things to Come," containing John's "vision"...not because I believed any of it, but because I found it so ludicrous and laughable (after I left), that I thought I should keep it as a reminder of what I was once
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7 months ago
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Reep wrote: I believe that JRS is rolling in his grave. After all, he talked about the Catholic church being mystery Babylon. Posted by: puddington Date: April 18, 2017 02:51PM If you have an old copy of the First Principles, there is a lesson about Babylon in there. I recall that it read exactly like the book "Babylon Mystery Religion", which claimed that Babylon was the Roman
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7 months ago
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Silas wrote: Hargrave and Esteves were interviewed for Catholic radio and television, reaching out to over ten million believers in all of Brazil and the world, before being escorted to hold a private audience with Cardinal Dom Orani. Incredible
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7 months ago
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with the 1,100 confessions and 1,200 conversions. That's quite a bit.
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7 months ago
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> As time passed connecting with several priests, > seminary students, and other evangelical pastors; > soon it was time for Hargrave to speak. Throughout > his ten-minute message about oneness in the Body > of Christ and the special placing of the Catholic > Charismatic Renewal in affecting all of > Christianity, the crowd continually cried out > cheers of approval
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8 months ago
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Reep wrote: OMG...I hope that "Hargrave and Esteves" can hear my eyes rolling wherever they are. LOL I wonder if these men of God are still dear friends? Maybe something happened that put a strain on their relationship.
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8 months ago
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I sure don't miss all the pressure to exalt top leadership while in TLWF. Silas was one of the biggest proponents of it...being a recipient, of course. Post from March of 2017: Celebration of Oneness through the Holy Spirit By Silas Esteves March 2nd, 2017 Yesterday, following the conclusion of the School of Prophets, Gary Hargrave and Silas Esteves traveled to Rio de Janeiro to
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8 months ago
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We still have not received an update on the progress being made in the independent investigation conducted independently by those independent of the church and all its independent off-shoots. I guess I have no choice but to continue trying to remain optimistic that the reason everything is taking so long is that former leaders want to make sure no stone is left unturned. It would be a bummer to e
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8 months ago
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A post from November of 2016 regarding the continued promotion of John's 1972 "vision": Posted by: Saw enough Date: November 16, 2016 10:16PM Gary has persisted in promoting the vision JRS allegedly had in 1972 seeing 7 years into the Kingdom, even though one of the Blix girls at that time told Gary and Marilyn that she had been with John Stevens that entire day. This was c
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8 months ago
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"I remember the path between Blix and JRS's house...past the hot tub pool and sauna." Wasn't John transported 7 years into the future to witness the coming Kingdom, while spending time in the hot tub with a friend? Wait...I'm probably getting walk stories mixed up. Please disregard.
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8 months ago
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A few posts referencing Jean Koonz (sp), from all the way back to 2006...or approximately 11,850 comments ago: Posted by: righteous mama Date: January 20, 2006 04:57AM My neighbor was highly involved in this cult and I attended with them many times. They went to the North Hollywood church...and Anaheim. I took piano lessons from Jean Koonz (sp?) I remember JRS and remember when he died. I
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8 months ago
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Reep wrote: Although my mom was not a leader, she was important to me. She was also a paper editor at TLW. I was told to stay away from her during a very difficult time in my life. She must have known something that they didn't want her to tell me. yes, most likely Excerpt of a post by 'reveal' from September 2018: Posted by: reveal Date: September 02, 2018 12:52AM
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8 months ago
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A few posts from July, 2020 on the subject of forgiveness and 'gossip': Posted by: Reepicheep Date: July 11, 2020 05:27AM Hi corboy, Nice to hear from you. This subject of demands for forgiveness seems to keep coming up. Frankly, I have trouble taking this kind of religious pomposity at face value. It reminds me of one of the last services I attended in TLWF. The golden boy h
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8 months ago
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A few posts from February of 2019: Posted by: Tmason Date: February 13, 2019 09:48PM Speaking of how the G&M dynasty drummed out any would be competitors....I was thinking that its seems very odd that the extremely popular elders that were beaten with an organic carrot and hung by their toes to dry seem to have family members that assumed leadership roles after their executions. Think
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8 months ago
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Onion wrote: Gary and Marilyn said they were going to have a baby and that baby would be JRS' return. I don't know how open they were with this plan but of course it never happened. Wow--you think Rick was spoiled. Imagine the adulation JRS, the apostolic baby, would receive from those believing this nonsense. Good grief.
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8 months ago
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Paleface wrote: And, like you said, if you question this, you are regarding in the fellowship as someone with a "critical spirit" and thus being a vessel of witchcraft. Yes, in that corrupt organization, you asked questions at your own peril. Posted by: larry bobo Date: May 16, 2019 02:55AM At the time of John’s death, the upward flow had already started. As Gary and Marilyn
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9 months ago
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A couple posts by Paleface from 2011: Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens Posted by: paleface Date: February 09, 2011 07:46AM The feeling of "not measuring up" in the LW is strong, even today with the current word. It took me a bit of time to shake all of that off. With prayer and seeking Him, the Lord convinced me that He loved me even with my flaws an
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9 months ago
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Thanks for sharing the poem by Janja Lalich, Reep. It certainly connects to the experience most of us here had while in TLWF. Posted by: Reepicheep Date: May 21, 2020 09:51AM kBOY Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > “Collateral damage” is not necessarily a > resume enhancement for one seeking to reboot a new > world-wide 'misery', aka,
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10 months ago
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Hope you are doing well, 4generation. And thank you again for contributing to this forum: Posted by: 4generation Date: December 28, 2019 12:28AM Welcome Powertrip, so good to see another brazilian posting here. Unfortunately what you shared with us is not a surprise to me and only shows how deceived we have been for decades in this church. For me who was born into this cult and spe
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10 months ago
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Have a pleasant Saturday! And a pleasant Friday, too! :) #StillWakingUp
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10 months ago
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Not that it matters, but here are the latest stats for our group discussion on the obscure cult we were involved in: Posts: 11,836 Page Views: 2,367,785 Have a pleasant Saturday!
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10 months ago
changedagain
BTW, I recall one summer while working on a project at Shiloh I was approached by an Apco member that had never spoken to me before. He wanted to let me know that Marilyn (Mom) thought her sex life was dead after John passed, but it had been revived with Gary--better than ever. That was pretty much it. I'm not sure why I needed to know this. Perhaps I was to spread this 'exciting'
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10 months ago
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Indeed, Changed. Or perhaps the sin card of the > Divine Lamp repented for not worshipping herself > enough. Ha--that's more like it.
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10 months ago
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Reep wrote: Because isn't it hilarious when others are humiliated while being literal and obedient? Yes, the rank and file took the directives seriously, with negative long-term consequences, and the key leaders basked in being exempt from any accountability. And later it occurred to the Divine One that some people may have gone into great detail on their card, while she herself just
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