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References to the Catholic church, and the different stance JRS had vs. G & M: Posted by: ben there Date: February 19, 2007 11:48AM I think it was when I started hearing entire groups (like the catholic church, government officials, businesses, etc) 'judged' as being satan in the earth, the whore of babylon, the Nephilim, or whoever the bad guy of the night was...and all sor
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4 months ago
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"who charges people to attend a funeral?" Posted by: reveal Date: October 15, 2018 03:19AM FROMSOUTHCHICAGO, I'm glad you asked about Marilyn's funeral because it's something I have thought of posting about on here for some time. I was there and it was very, very odd. One, we had to pay to attend. No kidding. We were told we had to register if we wanted to attend
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4 months ago
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What does SFIC stand for? I told you I'm not good with acronyms. Just venture a guess. Well, I have an answer that is only three words, rather than the necessary four. What is it? Shit-faced in Christ. Good enough.
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4 months ago
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Something I wrote three years ago on the FB discussion group. Yes, I still stand by this, 'bad spirit' and all: One of the most insidious patterns within the Walk and TLWF was the tendency to blame the congregation for the "word" not being fulfilled. And then later, of course, placing the burden on those who had experienced abuse for decades, perpetrated and covered up by c
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4 months ago
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I haven't yet heard this entire sentence, but so far it is perfect. Taking a short lunch break, and then will resume listening: "The first time I realized I was in a cult was when George W. Bush was running for president..." I just watched the new video interview of Johana Wozniak, who was born and raised in The Living Word Fellowship. This included spending her entire schoo
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5 months ago
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Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It boggles my mind how long these con artists were > able to trick people (us) into believing that God > was talking to them in a coherent manner. They > were making it up as they went along. There was no > "God's plan". It was a long con since the > beginning. And at least one or a
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5 months ago
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October of 2022: Posted by: changedagain Date: October 25, 2022 10:29PM Despite our prayers, John never returned. But Satan is back. John's victory over him was just temporary, I guess. Perhaps he will be brought down again by the death of a future Apostle...and this time it will be permanent. We can only hope. #LookOnTheBrightSide /s Saw Enough wrote: There was a period of time
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5 months ago
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Larry has shouldered a lot of responsibility in helping people recover from the heartless organization that was TLWF. I'm glad he has been so vocal for so many years--both in this forum and on Factnet. Certainly a much needed voice in confronting false authority.
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5 months ago
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A question that was never asked back in day, lest the person asking lose their 'covering,' and possibly disappear from the face of the earth: "Hey Mom and Dad, instead of being Christ in the flesh, could you two just be decent human beings--even for a day? I really think that would be more helpful. Thanks in advance!"
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5 months ago
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The podcast reminded me of this exhortation to the Valley church by an L.A. shepherd, not known for his social skills: "If you're not going to respect Marilyn as Christ then get the fuck out of my church."
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5 months ago
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Yes Reepicheep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Another excellent episode of Oops! I'm In A Cult is up on YouTube.
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5 months ago
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fromsouthchicago did not take his cousin seriously: Posted by: fromsouthchicago Date: October 25, 2018 09:46AM (excerpt) I’m not sure this has been true for everyone in my extended family, but I know that for those in my immediate family and for me Marilyn, CLW and TLWF was a side show, something akin to a traveling carnival. I didn’t take anything that Marilyn said or did seriously. To
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5 months ago
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A few posts from July of 2018: Posted by: Cloudwatcher Date: July 13, 2018 10:08PM changedagain Wrote: The truth about the nefarious ways of TLWF leadership through the years is surfacing, causing quite the reaction. Here's an excerpt from the latest 'living word' emanating from Shiloh (below). It's the same twisting of reality, but the warnings/threats to the people
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5 months ago
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The Titanic voyage was not perfect either. #ControversialStance Gary has recently admitted over the pulpit "Some mistakes have been made in the past. We are not perfect.".
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5 months ago
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Jez, Here's a few posts mentioning John allegedly bringing down Satan with his death. Then Satan returned, of course. Perhaps he'll be brought down again in the near future by another apostle's death. We can only hope. ;) Posted by: paleface Date: March 24, 2011 08:28AM Gary has recently admitted over the pulpit "Some mistakes have been made in the past. We are no
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5 months ago
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From May of 2019: Posted by: larry bobo Date: May 15, 2019 11:55AM At the time of John’s death, the upward flow had already started. As Gary and Marilyn took control of the organization, the level of control and focus on them increased dramatically. There were a few members of the third generation that had referred to John as “Christ in the Flesh”, but to most, he was the “Door Opener Apo
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5 months ago
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What does MIW stand for? I thought I told you that I'm not good with acronyms. Just venture a guess. Make it worse? Where did that come from? For whatever reason, I was envisioning a TLWF leader counseling a congregant who had experienced a traumatic event.
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5 months ago
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Some people (in the know) referred to it as Holy Las Vegas. light777 wrote: Marilyn and Gary's relationship, how they spent weeks on end alone in Las Vegas after John died.
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5 months ago
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Thanks, Jez. If put any effort into it, I know it will suck. But if I relax and just allow the bitter comic in the sky use me as a vessel (not handmaiden), things seem to work out. There's always been a liveliness to this forum, along with the one that preceded it (Factnet). Can't underestimate the value of people being free to express themselves. I too, vastly appreciate the humor
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5 months ago
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Yes, each one with a huge ego. Oops...I must have a huge ego by recognizing this and pointing it out. Please disregard my comment! ;) Reep wrote: That's for sure, Changed. Especially if it was a zero with the rim rubbed out. And I feel that I would be remiss if I didn't point out that neither JRS, nor Marilyn, nor Gary, nor Rick ever attempted to be that (a zero) even once in m
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5 months ago
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I'm a little confused. So what do you want me to be? Anything but you. I can do that. Good f*ck you What did you say? I said bless you. That's not what I heard You need new ears. What? I said it is a new year. #KeepThemConfused #KingdomIsRelationships
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5 months ago
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Apparently people come back to this forum periodically just get their "flash of PTSD." Never again say that we do not have a purpose here. ;) Posted by: 40yearsin2016 Date: December 16, 2016 06:23PM "This collection of John Robert Stevens’ ministry of the living Word from July 1981 – December 1982 became an unfolding, crescendo of impartation — a creative tidal wave in the
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6 months ago
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From December of 2019: Posted by: Northerngate Date: December 02, 2019 04:25PM Reepicheep said: I'm not sure what the combination of factors is that makes TLWF one of the most difficult groups to leave. It undoubtedly has something to do with the God-like status of John Robert Stevens. My heart was saddened that my landlord came into that group when he was nineteen. He said he
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6 months ago
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From August of 2018: Posted by: light777 Date: August 07, 2018 12:27PM As I shared on a previous message, I was forced into this cult! I saw a lot! However, I trusted my Mother and I complied; eventually believing this BS, to the point that I uprooted my life and moved to the "inner camp" to be close to TLW and very much a part of TLW and G&M, along with their family. In the
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6 months ago
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Was Marilyn compensated for serving as John's secretary? Nevermind. CARe wrote: a classmate was purchasing a bra from MH before she was married to JRS. Apparently this was how MH supported herself.
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6 months ago
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Approximately three years ago: Posted by: puddington Date: October 13, 2020 12:07AM Shiloh has been torched. Posted by: CARe Date: October 13, 2020 01:47AM One of the KVF fireman asked me last week if I knew any former or current congregants that would be disgruntled enough to shoot at them when they light it (Shiloh) up!?! I was shocked at the question and my first reaction from
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6 months ago
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From August 2018: Posted by: rrmoderator Date: August 14, 2018 02:11AM (excerpt) It's about the behavior and group dynamics of the Living Word Fellowship, The Walk and how its leadership treated people. It's also about the leadership structure and the issue of accountability and financial transparency. People can believe whatever they wish, but they cannot do whatever the
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6 months ago
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The latest episode of Scott & Charity's podcast:
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6 months ago
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Marilyn, turn it off!! (I suppose it is too late now) pressingonbyHisgrace wrote: That witch would come to Anaheim and beat the sheep, when she wasn't blatantly flirting from the podium with Gary and others.
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