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26 days ago
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Food for the apocalypse. warning: once the lid is removed, the food is not edible. "The trouble with the food part is that while they encouraged people to buy it (from the church store – I forgot what the name for that “kingdom business” was), they didn’t really educate people in how to prepare it for storage. I popped the lid on some of that stuff about 5 years after leaving the walk a
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26 days ago
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Post by TheJewel from January of 2016. Yes, I chuckled about a few things he mentions: Posted by: TheJewel Date: January 08, 2016 12:51PM I wanted to make a comment in answer to someone’s post (too lazy to go back and hunt down who) regarding whether JRS was a member of the John Birch Society. While I cannot say one way or the other whether JRS himself carried a membership card, I am pret
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27 days ago
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(Marilyn as the personification of Queen Esther) Post by Saw Enough: Posted by: Saw enough Date: March 10, 2017 06:14PM The Feast of Purim is coming up. Which means that just around the corner the flock can expect to hear the annual messages comparing Marilyn to Queen Esther who went before the King and interceded to save the Jewish people from destruction. Some of the more zealous fai
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27 days ago
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Just want everyone to know that, even if it was great, I think Queen Esther should have kept her sex life to herself. I doubt anyone was really that interested in hearing about it. A few may have looked like they were, but they were just faking it (IMO).
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28 days ago
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Post by Reachingforward from January of 2019: Posted by: Reachingforward Date: January 10, 2019 09:20PM I have been reading this forum for several years and am finally making my first post. I was in TLWF for 22 years. It's been 20 years since I left and I still have a difficult time explaining this experience to anyone. Like so many on this forum, my family and I gave everything to T
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28 days ago
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Reep wrote: Once the truth is shouted across the internet, GH waves a white flag and sells the sheep he has been browbeating for years down the river. And then moving on to a "higher ministry," of course.
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29 days ago
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Baldwookie wrote: Hello! Like many people have posted here I grew up in "The Walk." I am the product of an arranged marriage which led to pretty disastrous results. I grew up moving up the west coast and as result attended services in a variety of locations (South Gate, Grants Pass, Portland (Lake Oswego), Seattle, Yakima). I am interested in documenting, or contributing to, a mor
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29 days ago
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A summary of a message Gary brought some months before the exposure of years of sexual abuse within TLWF (and its coverup) went public. It would be reasonable to assume this is a veiled threat toward those who believe the "lies"...implying that God will remove the "covering from their lives, " which could ultimately lead to their death. BTW, since leaving the fellowship in �
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29 days ago
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What rankles 'that little red flag'...posted in March of 2019: Posted by: that little red flag Date: March 20, 2019 09:33AM While we are on the subject, you know what really rankles me? JRS, Gary, Marilyn, Rick, and others getting away with lying, abuse of clergy, cover-ups, deception, offerings, sexual misconduct, multiple affairs, bad stewardship of funds, breaking up marri
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30 days ago
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baldwookie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm making my way through these post (slowly) and > there is a lot of reference to a now defunct > factnet.org. Does anyone know if that conversation > moved elsewhere? Hi baldwookie, I think most of what was written in that forum has disappeared from the internet. Looking back, I consider it t
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30 days ago
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This post by 'I_woke_up' from September of 2018: Posted by: I_woke_up Date: September 08, 2018 09:08AM I grew up and still reside in the small town of Kalona, Iowa (where Shiloh is). I came in to the Fellowship as a young child (my parents and one sibling are still involved). Until I left the organization a couple years ago, it was all I knew. At what point did I realize I was i
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30 days ago
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TheycalledmeJonah wrote: I laugh every time I remember when Craig said in front of the church, "Trump announced that today is the national day of prayer. You can say what you want about the guy, but when something happens, he turns to prayer." That's such obvious bullshit. I can't believe he fell for that. I hear he does all of his praying at the golf course. :)
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4 weeks ago
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"Don't tell me you're gonna go out and become a f*cking musician. That's not who you are." -Pastor Craig A post by TheyCalledmeJonah from January of 2018: Posted by: TheycalledmeJonah Date: January 04, 2018 03:10PM Hey All, I've been a lurker for many months now, and I finally got an account. I'm hoping I can add a bit to the conversation since I
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4 weeks ago
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4 weeks ago
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I think the Sayers are moving to Arizona, too.
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4 weeks ago
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On a side note...I wonder whether those who followed Gary down to Brazil years ago are still aligned with him, now that there (apparently) has been a falling out between him and Silas. Perhaps this "division" between the two is a facade, and they've agreed not to threaten each other's "ministry." Who knows. If you spent any time within TLWF, and had your eyes open (a
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4 weeks ago
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kBOY wrote:P The reason we heard so little from the 'Lamp' all those years was because she never really had anything to say, or worse, would venture into babbling incoherency. I recall her ministering to one of Rick's ex-wives on the platform at a feast service in the valley. Yes, it was mostly gibberish. The only thing I distinctly recall is Marilyn telling this young woman
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4 weeks ago
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Note: there was also a post about King David driving a golf cart which I haven't been able to locate. Perhaps that is a good thing :)
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4 weeks ago
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Did they believe their own BS? Fair question. From March of this year: Posted by: Reepicheep () Date: March 12, 2020 02:23AM changedagain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not only (apparently) were the key leaders of TLWF > getting busy (so to speak) as John lay dying, but > later they made sure to blame the fellowship for > not loving Jo
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4 weeks ago
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Lilith wrote: “We often don’t speak up because we don’t want to appear rude, or make the other person uncomfortable, or be seen as someone who causes trouble, or someone who has no ‘sense of humor’ or whatever lame societal excuses we use.” The fear of rejection fostered through the years by John, Gary, Marilyn etc. has been a potent force to reckon with. People knew if they fell out of favo
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4 weeks ago
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"I am no longer sh*tfaced on Zoom. Just drunk." #NewLevel #TLWFministry
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4 weeks ago
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light777 wrote: I used to have a very good friend at TLW who was tormented daily by the evilness and wrongdoings of the TLW. Her children are knee deep in and her husband is so far up Rick's back-end! She played the game and continues to play the game because if she left, as she stated, she would lose her entire family. And there are so many more like this. That's not uncommon. Peop
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4 weeks ago
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Excerpt of a post by light777, from August of 2018: Posted by: light777 Date: August 07, 2018 12:27PM As I shared on a previous message, I was forced into this cult! I saw a lot! However, I trusted my Mother and I complied; eventually believing this BS, to the point that I uprooted my life and moved to the "inner camp" to be close to TLW and very much a part of TLW and G&M,
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4 weeks ago
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kBoy wrote: What was hidden in darkness will hopefully be brought out into the LIGHT. Yes.
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5 weeks ago
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Who the hell started comparing him to King David? Was King David this slimy? I know, it's been a while since I opened a Bible. /s Posted by: Imapurple Date: October 07, 2019 09:25AM It was an interesting time. Rick couldn’t be in the room taking care of JRS because it was “ too hard for him” 100% complete BS. In fact he spent the whole time up at the studio having an affair. That’
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5 weeks ago
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Good links--thanks for sharing. "Deference to authorities can occur in a mindless fashion as a kind of decision-making shortcut. When reacting to authority in an automatic fashion there is a tendency to often do so in response to the mere symbols of authority rather than to its substance. Three types of symbols have been demonstrated through research as effective in this regard: Tit
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5 weeks ago
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Cult leaders knowingly, or in most cases learn by experience, to use these techniques as tools to manipulate people. It's the leader's fault not his or her victims. In a sense it's like psychological and/or emotional rape. yes
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5 weeks ago
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Sunday morning: 'O.K.--I gonna be straight with everyone. The offering this morning is for golf carts, beer, wings and fireworks. Now dig deep, people. Don't disappoint me!!' -VIP Ministry Posted by: GSchaeff Date: May 27, 2018 04:59PM The frosted mugs, yes! Or if you made the pilgrimage to Shiloh for SOP it was the golf carts you were allowed to drive. I don't kno
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5 weeks ago
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Lilith wrote: The thing is so many of the survivors have made it clear in public that they need an apology to be healed from years of cult abuse. I am sorry doesn't cut it, it isn't enough. These people are going to prey on that desire and tell them what they want to hear so badly, the sad part is they won't mean it, it's just a way to paint over what they participated in.
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5 weeks ago
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I'm assuming that there will be attempts to contact people in this group privately by those associated with the defendants in the cases that have been mentioned. My admonition is to be careful who you trust, and what you choose to reveal. Note: even if this is paranoia on my part, I still think it is a wise approach. I know...the first comment will be: "How do we know we can trust y
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