Some things to watch out for here: -- While graduates love to claim there are no victims, they love love to call others victims and then like to also try and victimize folks. So, don't act like a victim about this, and if he starts trying to victimize you, don't take his shit, but call him on it. -- Watch your words and try not to actively PICK a fight with him. But feel free to s
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This site has been a huge source of learning and healing for me. A number of us here have been in 'Recovery from LGAT Mode' for years; and from Rick's efforts we have a place to come together for support and maybe even speed up that healing process along the way. Words can't really express my thanks enough.
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Kinda makes one want to eat their own vomit, don't it?
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And just as an aside, this company's chances of continued success has been dealt a whopping subversive blow from within by so many folks becoming Lekkies. The group will function LESS as a team as more people will begin acting in manic and self-absorbed ways - in other words, more like it's evil boss. Its part of the 'Laws of Unintended Consequences.' It could also be calle
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Elena, Corboy, and others I forgot to mention, speak much wisdom here. And Corboy's legal advice just now is invaluable. As for Elaine and for ALL Landmark trolls and clones - stay the hell out of this! Your ilk has done enough damage here. Go fry someone else's brain and allow us to help heal ourselves, and each other, here.
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Get yourself a mean, bull-dog trial attorney who will take your case and charge based on a %age of the take if you win -- not on an hourly basis. Then see if you can sue the company. If your husband has a psychiatrist, call him now. See if there's anything he/she can give him. Once your Husband comes around to the point that he can listen to you well, try and assure him that, on anothe
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Yeah, folks. Mosey on over to his video and give the boy some support for the courage he's showing in doing this. He can use it.
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And I cannot stress enough how these LGAT'S can be dangerous -- not only to people with anxiety or mood disorders -- but in starting up these disorders in folks with no previous history of such issues. So, if you need 2 glasses of wine tonight, go for it. Or get a prescription for Lunesta or something. And, if you use the search function for these forums, do a search on my previous post
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Just tread lightly around that Division leader about this. You challenge him directly about this training, you could discover how much entitlement with which these people can act, after they've felt 'empowered' by this shit. They'll take any challenge about this training as a personal affront. You could find yourself out of a job. Are there people at your workplace that you
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I'll bet anyone $100 bucks that if your Division Leader tries to implement a lot of your LGAT's "technology" into the everyday goings-on of your Division, that person will fail and be ultimately replaced by a superior that remains unpolluted by Cruxpoint. But in the interim, expect those folks in your division who bought into Cruxpoint to take any power jockeying to new and mo
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ZOWIE -- I sure hear THAT, Marmat. I was guilty as HELL of being a lot like your ex. I left Est in '83 but didn't really start attending to cleaning it out of my system for 15 more years. That's when I finally discovered all sorts of things in this world like limits, boundaries, other peoples' feelings and that my actions actually had consequences. geez.....
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But you're still playing trainer a smidge -- if only more indirectly.
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Well, these vacuous losers have to do SOMEthing to keep 'em busy. Many obviously can't hold onto their jobs anymore, so they have lots o' time on their hands. hahahahaha
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I'll tell ya one thing, Billie -- the book "Outrageous Betrayal" pokes so many holes in the "Transformation" flick (and connects so many dots that the movie conveniently leaves unconnected), that I might be tempted to kick the TV if I ever watch 'X-formation' again -- and its why I probably won't. I actually like my TV. No goddamn wonder the pathetic, be
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Good stuff, Elena. I'll read this blog in its entirety just as soon as I finish Outrageous Betrayal -- uhhhh...which you also turned me/us onto here. Thank you. It takes even more of the many fragments of memories I have of all this and helps me connect SO many more of the dots. Plus, the book and this blog will help me to CONTINUE answering those questions you had for me last week. This
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Just keep an eye on that cat's sleep patterns.
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Ahhh, yes ---- but enough about me. Let's talk about YOU. What do YOU think about ME? Don't you find ME attractive? Can you see how authentic I AM? Can you see how I'M making a difference in the world? Does my ass look as transformed as I feel?
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That's Pauk to you, big fella. ;-)
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New one for y'all. How do you get 25 BYU Coeds into a VW Beetle? Throw in an engagement ring.
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So, what's the history of this seminar? Who started in and when? Did someone else buy it and take it over? Couldn't find any of their (probably sordid) history on their website. I remember my Sister took it in '79 and had to fly all the way to Vermont to attend. Then a couple of years later, some bank officers in Colorado (where I had a part-time job for awhile) took it and then
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It doesn't surprise me they are still out there. In fact Landmark is now the biggest LGAT out there of them all. The Mother-ship of dangerous seminars like Scientology is the Mother-ship of 20th century cults. What surprises me, is that Money and You is still around after 30 years or so. I thought this Est/Napoleon Hill/Scientology wannabe seminar would go (and had gone) the "Way of all
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Well, she's alive....on the outside anyway. But she has not been able to work or sustain a relationship for many years. Hopefully, she can still function to a certain degree as long as she stays on her lithium. She's also alienated most of her family and friends over the years with her behaviors during many manic episodes. I had to back away from her completely when she called me up at
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Yep -- that's another seminar from which my Sister came back hypo-manic. Just like she did from the Landmark Forum, and just like we both did from Est. This is some common shit with all the trainings on this LGAT board. So, did you or anyone you know come out of Money & You hypo-manic or with a full blown Manic episode? Or did anyone bipolar go in, finish the workshop and consider hi
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As promised, Elena, I've been giving your questions more thought, and here's something that come up -- tonight, anyway. The old famous saying that those who fail to understand history are doomed to repeat it flies in the face of Werner's notion that, once transformed, one is freed from one's history to create a new life. This is probably just the magical thinking that ensue
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Good questions, Elena -- and ones that will keep me thinking for awhile. Particularly about the specific philosophic tenets as its been 25 years since i reviewed est. Certainly something you wrote a while back in one of these threads hit me like a ton of bricks. To paraphrase, you said its not a lot of fun to confront one's own narcissism. For I realized at that moment that this is what
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...or when they crack up and their lives start to fall apart, like mine did for a while. (I gotta stop waxing nostalgic.....as it were....)
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Veggiegardener, Pardon my bluntness, but your Brother really has you running around in a vicious circle here. You seem to be both afraid of the truth, and scared sh*tl*ss to cut to the quick and ask him the truth. Kinda like not being able to bite through a giant hunk of beef gristle. I feel for you, but am afraid to say any more out of fear of sounding even more like an Est trainer (shiver..
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QuoteVegiegardenerThanks so much for your replies. I still grapple with whether he is 'really in it or not... But I really think he is... -------------------------------- Oh, if he's talking to you like that, then he's 'in it' alright. It's just a question of degree. My worst fear is that he now recruits innnocent new people into it... that would make me si
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Zorro, I'm interested to see your reaction to 'Junior's interview. Or anyone else's take as well. Might make for an interesting new thread, as had been mentioned.
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Yep, Zorro, I can relate. I don't trust like I used to, I don't open-up like I used to, and I don't seek friends like I used to. The upside, tho', is that I can now enjoy being alone with my own thoughts for long periods and entertain myself just fine. Until I started confronting my own narcissism, I couldn't stand being by myself for over 20 minutes. I needed the compan
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