Oh, I remember that girl very well. I recall putting down the book several times during her chapter and thinking to myself, "Wow she sounds A LOT like some esthole-ettes I used to know." And with the way he wrote about My Lai and Group Evil, CAN you imagine what a piece of work he could've come up with describing and picking apart an LGAT?!? Thanks for the heads-up on the Dus
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QuotenettieI very well recognize how you can get back to your landmark/est hypomanic self when reading a pro landmark or pro Werner piece. It is all in the mind. You can do great things with your mind. You can also do evil things with your mind. ----------------------------- That's so true, Nettie. And it brings my mind back to the Landmarkese part, as they really play that jargon game
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Well, if they spend a lot of time, over the years, volunteering at the LE center, then perhaps they can spin things to LOOK as though they have many friends. (I mean, if one can really call that 'friendship.') But if one were to find out how many friends these volunteers have -- outside their lekkie network -- one would find that most of these 'individuals' have a low AND CONT
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Ya know -- it was one of the reasons I liked the book People of the Lie. Peck manages to drag human evil at least partly out of the church and under the microscope of a psychologist's point of view for some truly mind blowing perspectives. Its truly amazing how much of it applies here as well. I especially like his chapter which moves from the psychology to the sociology of human evil, with
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Right On - Elena. You see so clearly the threads that connect Alistair Crowley to the 'willfulness' of Narcissism, to Ayn Rand & L. Ron Hubbard, and then on to encyclopedia salesmen like Werner. Its a long thread and it leads straight back to human evil. M. Scott Peck's book called "The People of the Lie" certainly comes to mind in this case. In addition to all th
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So, is Zigzagidiot harassing you again? Why don't you post some of his/her drivel up here on the board so we can all have a laugh at how the Werner Brothers (the REAL ones) cracked open his head?
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The more I thought about your post, the more I realize I answered in great haste. Sorry. I now see how much more precarious your situation is with a family of, and w/more than one generation of estholes. For, even if you execute a well thought out plan and rescue a couple of folks from their programming, you could still cause a huge rift in the family. On the other hand, you're potentially a
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Well, h_r, I think its great that you wish to talk to some in your family. Its a noble and a loving thing to do. Just "Make a Little Plan, Stan" and don't go about it willly-nilly or you just might cause a big rift in the family.There are a number of success stories here on Rick Ross' LGAT Board with folks trying to open a loved one's eyes -- but probably as many failure
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Looking out for their own interests is right, Elena -- and with that leads to, PERHAPS, their biggest con of all (or gotta be in the top 3): with everyone there acting so self-absorbed, they still have the worker bees seeing themselves as great humanists, out 'making a difference in the world.' Well it certainly would make 'a difference in My World'for a day when some lekki
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You're a Rock Star, dude -- PLUS you get to sing Opera. Life's a lookin' up. And what you said in those videos needed to be said. On behalf of all of us you've undoubtedly helped w/those videos, Thank You.
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I just thought of another jargon-morph from the old to the newer training. The mind's "yama-yama" in est became the forum's "Already Always Listening."
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QuoteSulalee ...Another perhaps less obvious time of rapid development is in the 30's, when mental structures develop the ability to think dialectically. This corresponds with people being able to see "both/and" rather than categorically. This is the time when most will settle into relationships, work identity, a more or less stable life trajectory. This is also a time when Lan
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One thing I found intriguing from an old esthole's perspective -- having NOT done the forum as well -- has been looking to see how some old est jargon got 'updated' as est morphed into the forum, and as the old company became landmark. After seeing the 'X-formation' movie, and ingesting a bunch of Landmark threads here (acidic burp) recently, it seems that indeed, the onl
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Veggiegardener, You'll get a whopping dose of it all in one fell swoop in the new movie "Transformation." In fact, so much so that if your not an old esthole or lekkie, you might have problems separating the wheat from the chaff at times. (hmm....but isn't that part of the point, now...?) Amazon, and the other sources they list there, have the DVD w/some decent discounts
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Let me start by saying that MANY OF my relatives (and not just my immediate family) have genetic predispositions towards both bipolar and unipolar (sometimes called 'clinical') depression. As such, I've truly been one of the lucky ones in my Family to have only had brief tastes of mild versions of both -- like a 'Preview of Coming Attractions' if I didn't change cour
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Ooooohh, that phone call from LM and his response to it was a red flag to NOT push too hard or fast just yet. You're gonna need to sift through weeks more of jargon-y pre-programmed answers to your questions even after his 1st crash, I'm afraid. But perhaps all is not lost in this game of poker just yet; even tho' you likely blew most of this weekend's round by showing him all
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Yeah, at both Landmark and Impact folks try to tell the flock to stay away from that Internet stuff. And no wonder: between YouTube, WikiLeaks and sites like Rick's here, The Internets are and will continue to be a thorn in most LGAT's, sides. I was especially taken with Nettie's videos. ZOWIE. Also, fortunately, Google has some free excerpts up from "Snapping." L
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Hi Nettie, I'm catching up on a number of long-standing threads here including this one you started, which is FASCINATING! I have yet to read all 23 pages of this, so if I ask a question that's already been submitted, I hope you'll bear with me. Anyway, I'm intrigued by the P.T.S.D. flare-ups which you mentioned can happen to us, even years after disassociating entirely fro
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QuoteelenaHave you read "Snapping?" no, but I bet I did that once right before attending to the chore of outgrowing my narcissism. I'll Google it and see what I find. Thanks.
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Welcome Billy, And hello to everyone else here, and to those on the last dozen or so est/forum boards here I've perused this last week. To those who have not already seen my 'story' (sorry) on my 1st few posts, I found myself here after: 1 - Stumbling upon, then watching, the new Werner movie "Transformation" from my cable's On-Demand feature. This has been fo
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Old Est-hole. You can fill in the blanks from there, and you'd probably be right. (sigh...)
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Ah yes: Est-holes and Land-holes, and Quest-holes and RAND-holes. Put us all together and whaddaya got? A small, hole-y poem at the VERY least. :-) Ok, I admit it. When my Sister and I were college sophomores we were a Rand-holes, too. (Personally, it sure made it hell gettin' dates 2nd semester!) I have a strong feeling that a whole lotta Rand-holes (and former ones) morph
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QuoteamemgPauker: Thanks very much and so sorry to hear you are watching your daughter take this path. For me that would be even more awful - if my children were somehow lured. Yeah, it's scary and it really sucks. At the very least, I do have an advantage over everyone else in her life who won't enroll in her training. And that is: I can turn-on and spew the jargon with the best
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FWIW, your 1st good opportunity to get through to him on anything (pretty much) will come soon when he comes down from his hypo-manic high (although HE won't call it that). Try and hang in there for a few more weeks (many come down in 2 to 4) and look for signs like crashing followed by more normal sleep patterns and then perhaps a return to that old familiar look in his eye. At that poin
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I, too, have been enjoying Elena's insights on this thread. And I'm very glad she brings up the narcissism subject, 'cause it needs to be discussed. I'm an old, former esthole from WAAY back, and I can assure you, we were every bit as insufferable and self-absorbed as any 21st century, card-carryin' "Landmark-hole" (Thank GOD a couple of people in my life then w
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To comment on part of Elena's last statement, seeing the non-profit 'issue' is at least a key into seeing one of the truly rotten things that binds most (all?) LGATs together. They use and abuse their graduates, conning them into doing all their advertising work for them (gratis), as well as into covering for the needs of most of their office and logistics staff. This keeps the com
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