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richiekgb Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ciphergoth is that you? > > :) I am not Ciphergoth > Well cryonicist whoever you are - I am only > responding as I checked an old e-mail account I > had and this message flashed up. This is what you > call a "ghost thread" - meaning its a very old > thread that no-one posts
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Ciphergoth is that you? :) Well cryonicist whoever you are - I am only responding as I checked an old e-mail account I had and this message flashed up. This is what you call a "ghost thread" - meaning its a very old thread that no-one posts in anymore. You have gone to a lot of effort so Its only fair you get a answer from one of the people you hoped you would address. Just s
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Here is where Cryonics should focus their blatant stupidity/anti-science going forward: Yes...it is the *new* "environmentally-friendly" way to have a cremation: Freeze dry and dissolve the bodies. I think a better way would be to lay the corpse on the ground and let scavengers/insects have at it so as to recylce the body...but what do I know? Imagine the MONEY Cryonics co
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Have to agree with that. As since was said long ago in this thread, when corpses are donated as biological research tissue, then the cryonics company can do what it wants with the corpse, subject to the Uniform Anatomical Gift Act (UAGA) Now of course, that means they can experiment on the corpse, and then dispose of the body parts or corpse at their discretion, and no one is going to know any
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Hopefully with Melody saying all that and standing by him - Shannon Blevins will finally get some of his problems sorted out. Blevins is still a cryoncist enthusiast (!) he never asked for help exposing his abusers to damage "cryonics" despite what Ben Best and Co are saying. They have tried to paint him as a uneducated hillbilly drunk who was abusive to his wife and was making a lo
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Thanks richiekgb, human issues and real life damage. Realistically speaking, Styles's 'that which cannot defend itself' can only be referring to the prey, the cryogirls and the noobie vamps and the too trusting buyers of cryonic suspension. Always a mistake to assume that such a one would in fact be 'protecting' anything other than protecting the source of income b
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The 'Vanilla Sky' reference above is to a Tom Cruise remake of a Spanish movie (Open Your Eyes) that was panned by some critics. It was peripherally about a possible cryonic suspension, and I enjoyed the film, despite it being voted, in 2010, as being the most confusing movie of all time in a poll conducted by LoveFilm.com Some of the critics on the film: Peter Bradshaw of The
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In fact, the Church of Venturism is/was a church, they just changed the name to Society for propaganda purposes. They want to use the religious impulses in people for immortality, as marketing. Mike Perry and others are their inner circle High Priests. As well, if you start your own Church, you can get away with not paying taxes. The reason they are not throwing a fit, as no one knows wh
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On top of this, some in cryonics are concerned about Satanism and Vampirism. Why aren't they concerned with the Church of Venturism, which is the defacto Church of Cryonics? What's the difference?
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Notice also that the typical cryonics cranks, ignore Robert Ettinger's call for PROOF of the ridiculous and fraudulent claims made on the EUCRIO website, and instead start distracting, talking about religion. Why don't they address the obvious fraud on the EUCRIO website, with their deceptive nonsense about their staffing?
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Who first exposed the fact that Styles was a satanist/vampire?
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Some good debating points in that discussion on Cold Filter: 'Your present solution allows companies to claim they are providing professionals to carry out cryonic procedures and then send out unqualified and inexperienced amateurs (not to mention Satanists and "vampires") without redress.' and some hard reality: 'If you want to live in a world where people
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You know what - I am rather glad my comment was deleted on less wrong - good reason for people not to post on there. They don;t like people who have something to say (even agressive CXXts like me) about there pet interests. Sure i went on there running my mouth off a bit and yes posting up messages when your a bit drunk is probably NOT the best way to get your point across but I was intend
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(below is a quote of some relevant text) ----------QUOTE-------------------- jimf said... Larry Johnson, in _Frozen_, talks about the Venturists and their property at the Creekside Lodge in Arizona: (p. 150)" "The Creekside Lodge was off Arizona Route 69, in the township of Mayer, outside Prescott, Arizona. Prescott was a pretty little city k
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There are many way's to argue your point across. A Perfusionist/Doctor like Melody Maxim makes a excellent critic on the medical side of things as she can use the appropiate language and has a proper understanding of her arguments. Cryonic fanatic love to argue with scientists but sometimes the arguements are not just scientific. Enoonsti - like it or not people that are Currently r
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ah sometimes people just take things too seriously - myself included so for fun: Drac's Back I wanna suck your blood..... Lets face it thinking you can freeze someones dead bodie to save thier life in the future is actually pretty funny really! And Mike Perry did cut off his own penis as well - Apparently so it would not distract him anymore LOL - a Cryonic's Eun
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There is no such thing as cryonics estate planning. Once people hand over their money in an irrevocable trust, its gone forever. The "trustee" can "manage" that money as they see fit, using any loophole they want. Notice how the cryonics financial "expert" knows only too well the concept of "running off with the money". Perfect statement of reality.
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also someone sent me this link Rudi Hoffman video - and him saying how he is making money out of 83% of cryoncists in the world. Theres his interview here: "Of great concern, of course, are the details of cryonic estate planning. Including the question, “How do I find a trustee to manage and grow the money, who understands the concept of cryonics and my wishes, and who won’t run of
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This message is for Shannon Blevins. A certain individual has received over 80 forwarded emails that uncover the scandalous adventures of some very high profile people in the cryonics world. To name a few individuals and companies are Ben Best, Jim Yount, Edgar Swank, Shannon Vyff, Amanda Blevins, Life Extension Foundation, Bill Faloon and many many others. It is my understanding that these email
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As other non-experts have been saying the same thing all along. Scam! The first part of the bogus cryonics "contract" says that everything is your fault, even though you are dead, and it was their fault! That no matter what happens, that the cryonics company is NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHNG, EVER! Next comes the most important part. PAYMENT. You pay them $35,000 in advance, and/o
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The cryonics spin-doctors have tried to mislead the public about the law against selling/offering cryonics in BC Canada. It is prohibited and ILLEGAL, its there in black and white. The cryonics salespeople try to mislead the public, with the stuff about irradiation. But part (C) generalizes the law to ANY TYPE OF STORAGE with the promise of "resuscitation of human remains at a future ti
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"Jim Yount is chief operating officer of the American Cryonics Society, has been on the board of governors for more than 20 years, and served as its president in 1994-96. Previously, Yount established Long Life Insurance Agency and helped pioneer the use of insurance to fund cryonic suspension. Yount is also associate editor of The Immortalist magazine, a cryonics publication."
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I came across Cryonics UK through a event I (accidently) helped promote through my meetup site London Futurists. We are a group that met up in a pub and discussed futuristic predictions and Transhumanism from a skeptical/laymans point of view. I started posting events which were held by the Extrabrittania (UK Transhumanists) as they held good events on AI research and and other worthwhile eve
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I have started a skeptical website exposing the percieved scams in the cryonic industry - in the making right here: BTW - i am just someone who unintentionally promoted this and wants to make it right - I have used some info from this forum but i am aware i need to know more - my dream is to have a factual website and prehaps offer advice to people who feel they are falling for this scam.
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I am attempting to make a skeptical website exposing the scams in cryonic right here: BTW - i am just someone who unintentionally promoted this and wants to make it right - I have used some info from this forum any more info greatly appreciated - PM Me if you want your research on my website Richie KGB + !Jill Pleasuremodel
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In response to another thread Mark Plus is trying more BS tactics. Its those at the top who are making good money now with cryonics contracts, and who are gunning to sign up thousands of people, and make millions. Why does Mark Plus persist in saying his blatant bullshit, that is contradicted by the very people in cryonics who said it? Its the cryonics bigwigs, the Rudi Hoffman's, who
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Its interesting to watch how cryonics promoters, advocates and professional cryonics contract salespeople (like Ben Best) cannot bamboozle those trained in critical thinking and the scientific method. But Ben Best sure tries hard. (thread on James Randi skeptic website) What are your opinions on cryonic preservation? Rudi Hoffman, the supreme cryonics financial salesman, and cryonics m
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The strangeness of the closed-loop cryonics belief systems is on display in this thread. "Outdated information on Quackwatch, How do we change this" Is Cryonics Feasible? Stephen Barrett, M.D. Cryonics believers feel very threatened by the fact that all of the worlds top Skeptics harshly criticize "cryonics", as there is no scientific evidence to support it. You
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QuoteCryoGirlI thought maybe you guys were more intellectual than this, but really you guys just show a lot of adolescent behavior. Obviously this forum cannot be taken seriously. I would have loved to have debated real occult issues with you guys, but there's no debating ignorance. =[ I plan on pursuing a career in cryonics research and development. If you guys are all I have to worry a
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