melmax, probably the reason your post took so long to appear is NOT your own error, but that rrmoderator(s) need to see a number of your posts (10? 20? More? Who knows?) before they give you "automatic" posting ability. They don't need trolls or "true believers" who are not open to back-and-forth with un-believers or people who are always insultive or crass in th
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I think this cryonic thing looks pretty sweet! If I understand it correctly, I can give strangers total control of my cadaver's head along with all my money! But what do I get in return? A terrific little used tunafish can for a hat! Talk about being stylish in the freezer! I wonder which cryonics business gives it's members the "Fancy Solid White Albacore in Olive Oil&q
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I want to be nice and civil about this. I do hope this is the kind of forum I'm on. I'm 28 yrs. old and have a suspension contract. I also have an irrevocable trust with a cryonics agency that I had a legal aid review. The one I consulted with is really good. She told me it was one of the best trusts she had ever seen. With that said, pursuing a cryonic suspension was an individual choi
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QuoteSparkyI think enoonsti has it right. Freezing people should be a nation-wide offering for anyone who wishes to be preserved for memory-sake by cryonic firms. Being that this is a form of internment for the patient corpse then clearly the state needs to oversee things! It makes sense! Why should crematoriums and funeral homes need to be so closely monitored by the state to make sure t
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I think enoonsti has it right. Freezing people should be a nation-wide offering for anyone who wishes to be preserved for memory-sake by cryonic firms. Being that this is a form of internment for the patient corpse then clearly the state needs to oversee things! It makes sense! Why should crematoriums and funeral homes need to be so closely monitored by the state to make sure the patients
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Sparky: SteveHarrisMD, I do not know your specialty in medicine, but I really must think that as a medical practioner you especially would be skeptical to any potential mental "Re-Animation" of brain cells (let alone "memory" which is a whole other ball-of-wax) . Since a California medical license number was provided for you by a poster here, may I assume you are a practicing
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Justin Loew, to me, the "highly speculative science and engineering" is a bit of a turn-off. I would prefer some accepted/established science to feel comfortable about shelling over hard-earned money to a salesperson shilling for a questionable firm. I have no doubt they are well funded. Your story of a beetle being frozen and unfrozen is an intentional misdirection handed to you
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SteveHarrisMD, I do not know your specialty in medicine, but I really must think that as a medical practioner you especially would be skeptical to any potential mental "Re-Animation" of brain cells (let alone "memory" which is a whole other ball-of-wax) . Since a California medical license number was provided for you by a poster here, may I assume you are a practicing medical
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Ted Williams' nephew appalled by Alcor's treatment of former Boston Red Sox great By Nathaniel Vinton DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER Thursday, October 8th 2009, The nephew and namesake of Ted Williams says he is horrified by graphic stories in a new book alleging that his uncle's body was beheaded and grossly mistreated by Alcor, the Arizona company where Williams is stored in
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# Young: Remains of Ted Williams allegedly mistreated by Bob Young - Oct. 6, 2009 07:02 PM The Arizona Republic Somewhere in the Alcor Life Extension Foundation's Scottsdale facility, there is a vessel with a red plaque identifying member A-1949 - or at least his cryonically frozen head. The plaque reads: Theodore Samuel Williams First Life Cycle 30 Aug. 1918 to 5 Jul. 2
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The next news article states what has been stated in this thread many times. Its what most cryonics promoters consciously deceive the public about in their advertising. The cryonics salesmen lie about it continusously, to give people a false sense of security about cryonics. They exploit the naive idealism of their customers. Once the cryonics company has your body, they can do ANYTHING THE
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Letterman The Late Show Top Ten List Tuesday, October 6, 2009 Top Ten Signs You're Dealing With A Bad Cryonic Preservation Company 10. It's called "Cryonics 'N Things" 9. Cold storage room is kept at 74 degrees 8. At Christmas party, you find grandpa's head chilling the eggnog 7. Motto: "If we don't bring you back to life... what are you going
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The Letterman show did a Top 10 list, about when you know you have a bad cryonics company. Its not posted yet, probably will be in a day or so.
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Book: Frozen Ted head battered by workers By Dave Wedge Friday, October 2, 2009 - Red Sox great Ted Williams’ head was treated like a “grotesque pinata” by a pair of Arizona cryonic lab workers who bashed the legendary slugger’s frozen skull with a wrench to dislodge it from its pedestal: a Bumble Bee tuna can, an explosive new book alleges. “Little gray chunks of Ted’s head flew of
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Awesome. I wonder if Alcor had any 'experts' on the set of the new flick "Cold Souls" about the cryonic preservation of a persons soul?
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Wait for it....wait for it....BREAKING NEWS FROM ALCOR! Walter Cronkite is to be cryonically preserved so he may once again read the news in 2257AD!!!! Mr. Cronkite being the great reporter that he was had researched Alcor and the entire Cryonic movement and has a 'secret will' with the attornies at Alcor that state he wants to give his entire fortune to Alcor so they can further life
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That is good news for the family. Hopefully that is the end of it. That is interesting about how some of the interest checks from the $50K were not cashed? And that there are questions about where the other interest money went? And since the cryonic company didn't do anything, why do they have the $50K? For what? Cryonics is really shaping up to be a new type of con-game targeted at a
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Just out. Alcor lost their little lawsuit against two elderly siblings of the man who they (Alcor) claimed wanted to be frozen. YEAH! Now the Richardson family needs to file a countersuit. That’s one for the good guys and zero for the ghouls in Arizona. Judge denies request for man's remains Brother, sister win legal battle with cryonic foundation. By JOHN MANGALONZO j&#
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Its almost unbelievable how far some of the beliefs of some cryonics believers go. Some of them literally don't believe in death. They are trying to call it "deanimation". This falls in with all of the other cryonics "jargon" they are using. And using "jargon" is actually another criteria for a cult. Why is it the Luke Parrish is literally starting to sound
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Here is further evidence of the cryonic/Alcorian cult mentality. The following is a quote from “Cold Filter.” This is no different than the tactics utilized by many other cults. “My objective is to use the bible to get american christians to sign up for cryonics.” .
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To quote the Cryonics Insitute main web page "catch phrase": "Your Last Best Chance For Life--and Your Family's." Cryonics clearly preys upon those with no god-head religion (christians, jews and moslems need not apply). It also cannot prey on atheistic religions such as buddhism or even rationalists with no religion but who "worship" logic and knowle
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PhilOssifur, Sorry you feel you must go. I don't think anyone on this thread thinks you are involved in the cultic nature (the vice-like grip of control from the "higher-ups") of the cryonic movement, in fact, I have felt you are a hopeful believer in cryonics and as I have pointed out, desire to live forever/cheat death or just live longer than currently medically possible is
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Golly. I hope Mark Plus doesn't get P-Oed at me and take me off of his X-mas card list. I didn't mean to infer that the current cryonic people are running the place like a classic cult by definition and are not accountable to people who give them their cold (pun intended) hard cash. I know that everyone out there that is involved as a patient/client of Mark Plus and the cryonic movem
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From The Anticult: QUOTE:"Obviously, cryonics has to be regulated by a government body, with regular surprise inspections and complete audits. This is what the cryonics companies will do anything to block". UNQUOTE. Man, this is REALLY needed to put an end to the cult-nature of these criminals. They need to be driven out of business. If a sincere scientific org wishes to head a
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Welcome, PhilOssifur. Cryonics has yet to show it can "bring back" a dog let alone a human. That being said I know that the thought of death vs. possible re-animation via cryonics is a powerful recruiting tool...I mean who ever really wants to die? Very few. The hypnotic allure of ever-lasting life/re-animation is very powerful. A quote attributed to Wernher von Braun (Amer
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there is a bizarre little sub-plot in the cryonics community. Apparently, there is a guy who renamed himself as...William O'Rights, as in, Bill O'Rights, (Bill Of Rights). and supposedly this guy was a big supporter of cryonics for many years? But he got terminal cancer, and has apparently made no preparation for his cryonic freezing? So they were calling for donations in an emerg
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Some of the cryonics people are talking about how in Russia, they are moving forward with cryonics, with the financial support of some Oligarchs. What could happen in Russia with this is beyond imagining. Also, there was an aside comment about a talk given by Mike "Darwin" Federowicz (President of Alcor Life Extension 1983-1988, Research Director 1988-1992, and "self-taught&quo
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Charles Platt is doing his job with attempts at understated viral advertising for Alcor. (Interesting that Charles Platt seems to have been Alcor's COO for 3 months and then quit, followed by other COO/CEO's that also quit very quickly. Why are so many of these people quitting Alcor after they see what's behind the shiny iron curtain? Take a wild guess). There is a link to a
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There are a few people in the cryonics movement who seem to be able to break out of the Cryonics Talking Points propaganda, but not many, and they are viciously attacked, and they try to silence them, which is typical. Of course, there are a slew of people who are impervious to facts, and just want to propagate their cryonic memes, like Mike Darwin, Jordan Sparks (raging against regulation), e
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Below are some excerpts of talk about the launching of a Church of Transhumanism Cryonics, before it get's deleted, as they have tried to suppress the connections to forming a church/religion. They are very aware of the cult-like aspects of what they are doing, and those perceptions. You can see in real time, as they persuade people to NOT use the word "Church" and move to new w
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