The cryonics apologists have worked very hard to try to rewrite/reframe the history of Robert Nelson, one of the first in the long line of dishonest and incompetent cryonic cranks, quacks, and swindlers. _____________________________ "Nelson was accused by the media of taking millions of dollars from grieving families and then absconding with the money, leaving the patients to rot.&quo
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Wow! Some strong and unbelieveable stuff. I can see why the "true believers" of cryonics have evaporated, no where to be seen on this thread. The Anticult, you are an unstoppable force for logic and truth. I would be afraid to cross swords with you if I belonged to/promoted a fruity little cult! The links you have provided and the insight you bring to this topic (and others, as wel
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below are some excerpts for educational research... from a letter from David Pizer from the Venturist church, which serves as a soft-sell pitch for the idea of giving the Power Of Attorney to groups like the Venturist cryonic religion. Notice how this letter is written, its a soft-sell. But the pitch is based on fear, and creating fear that your family/relatives/judge/jury will act against
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Some interesting deleted info below from a former wikipedia entry...notice how a couple cryonic Churches changed their names to "Society" in rebranding, to try and cover-up the religious aspects. The Church of Venturism changed their name to Society of Venturism, run by David Pizer, who was with Alcor, and still is promoting Alcor. To what extent are they interwoven? Church Of Ve
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There is another major personality in the cryonics business/religion by the name of Ben Best, who is the President of the Cryonics Institute Cemetery. Religion? It seems the Cryonics Institute was forced to regulate as a cemetery, so in this case, it literally is a type of fringe Neo-Pagan Sci-Fi religion, very much like the Egyptians, who also had mummies made, and also put aside their wealth
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there are also some very extreme possible dangers for children and the elderly in the cryonics delusion. For example, below is a quote of some very disturbing text from the Imminst.org website. Again, there is no "patient" in "cryonics". A corpse is not a patient, notice how they use those words to manipulate people minds. Their language is full of distortions like that.
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They seem to want Power of Attorney too. In a Cryonics chat at Cold Filter, there is a excerpt from an alleged email message from David Pizer, stating that they want to move to getting the Power of Attorney over your dead body. So there you have it, a church/society, connected with a cryonics company, getting the power over the corpse and also control of the assets of the person. (its all to
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This thing constantly gets stranger and weirder. All it takes is a little critical thinking, and a bit of research. Basically what was being speculated about a cryonic cultic religion and cryonic church of Immortalism, has already happened years ago. It already exists. For example, There is a guy named David Pizer, who is listed a Former Alcor Vice President. David Pizer appears to also run
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FREETED, I must say you have raised some interesting points about cryonics. I think after reading this thread I now believe that if cryonics is not a true cult, it is cult-like in a new-age way. There are certain aspects of religion about it as pointed out by The Anticult. "Mummification" for the "afterlife" not to mention the old "science will resurrect your body some
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this Alcor cryonics system, gets dirtier and dirtier, the more one looks into it. What they are doing is posting on their message boards, various "tales of woe" of people who didn't prepare properly, and their cryonics at their death was messed up somehow. (like by a family member or spouse!). They tell these tales of cryonic woe, of people missing out on "eternal life&quo
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notice also below, that on some cryonic PR message boards, in what appears to be messages from this same poster, he pretends that he does not know who you are. So that is someone who is engaging in conscious deception of newbies in the cryonic field. (those who have been around know what's going on, of course). Why? One assumes to try to shape the perceptions of new recruits to join the
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also, the Wikipedia entry on cryonics is quite biased, for the simple reason that those with a vested interest in cryonics are able to control the information by persistance. Its way too optimistic, and exaggerated. They avoid the problems with cryonics almost completely, and minimize criticisms. They seem to have gotten rid of the Ted Williams problem completely. One interesting part
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QuoteThe Anticulthere's a video about the cryonics scam, with some Penn and Teller Bullshit. The dictionary defines "scam" as " fraudulent business scheme; a swindle." I've had arrangements for cryonic suspension with the Alcor Foundation since 1991, funded with life insurance. I have also worked for the past 18 years for David Pizer, who served as Alcor'
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Is Cryonics Feasible? Stephen Barrett, M.D. Cryonics is defined by its proponents as "the freezing of humans as shortly as possible after death with the hope of eventual return to life." Proponents claim that it is possible to preserve "with reasonable fidelity" the basic biologic components of the brain and that future technology will be able to repair brain damage ca
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Legit science? Hardly. I think the cryonic nuts have watched too many 'Futurama' episodes on Comedy Central. Freezing heads? Last time I checked, if you are missing your head you are dead. The same for a head that is missing it's body. Have the Cryo-thieves explained how they intend to take a head that has experienced brain-death and/or now flash frozen and thaw it out avoi
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