Its interesting that no one has tried to make money (yet) off taking your stem cells, and putting them in liquid nitrogen, to be cloned in the "future".
Not enough vanity or immortality in that salespitch, one assumes.
(get right on that, Cryonics Inc).

And with the freezing of sperm and embryo, they are producing actual results.
And as stated, they are extracting the water from the actual CELLS, before the slow cooling. A cell is a incredibly tiny thing.
Draining the blood out of a body is meaningless, as its the water inside the cells which will expand and destroy the cell walls.
The entire cryonics charade is a sham.


But at the same time, many many people have criticized the IVF fertility industry, for exploiting desperate people. Even they give a soft-sell salespitch, or hard-sell, that they can give the person a baby.
The person then pays 10's of thousands, several times over, and often get nothing.
So even the legit areas, have been severely criticized as being mechanisms to make a fortune exploiting false hope in people desperate for a baby.

IVF can charge around $20,000, so "Cryonics" charges 150K to mutilate and destroy the cells (uh..freeze) the corpse.
And as mentioned many times, the cryonics companies want to seize Power of Attorney of the person, and take over their entire assets and Estate.
Its quackery, and since they are after 150K and much more money, its also a serious financial swindle.
Quackery and a swindle, two for one.

It appears the internet cache of the alleged insider cryonics information has been un-disappeared?

Cryoleaks?
[thecryonicscache.webs.com]

Yeah I think that was the stuff that was posted and then taken down again.

Pretty sick stuff look's like these Cryonics People are not above messing around with families in a rather sinister way. It seems that Cryogirl had a lot of mental health issues and Vyff, Yount, Swank and Best were fucking with her head instead of helping her. The e-mails tell a story of how they funded her to set up a marketing scam on the internet and sell cryonics by sending soft porn images to people on myspace. It would appear that Cryogirl is still missing apparently holed up with Swank or Yount and they will not let her have contact with her estranged family.
It would appear that Shannon Vyff and Ben Best have apologized for thier part but are trying to remove themselves away from it.The first batch of e-mails appear if they were "edited" by Shannon Vyff to hide the identities of Her , Yount and Swank but she left in Best's name - proabbly has something to do with the "competition" between Alcor and CI - however if you scroll down the e-mails are repeated with out edits.

Personally I think because they knew that this family were "cryonics believers" they could do whatever they liked with them. Its pretty clear that the Blevin Family are Working Class people and i suppose that these cryoncists who think they are "chosen" felt they had "carte blance" to do what they liked to what they percieved as trailer trash.
As you said perviously AC if they kick up too much of a fuss they will mess around with their suspensions - a FATE WORSE THAN DEATH to a believer!!

I think we can safely say that Cryonics is definitly not a "legit science" instead it is a Technophillism cult which abuses its members and swindles them of their cash.

more here: [sites.google.com]

Throughout Alcor and Suspended Animation's case reports, their staff members are described as "Chief Surgeons," "Assistant Surgeons" "Surgeons," "Perfusionists," and other medical professionals. All surgeons are physicians, and it is against federal law, (and state laws), to falsely represent someone as a physician. [cryomedical.blogspot.com]

Michael "Mike Darwin" Federowicz, a former employee of Alcor, who wrote many of Alcor's reports, frequently described himself as a "surgeon," sometimes even the "Chief Surgeon," implying he was a physician. Alcor falsely identified Mr. Federowicz as a physician, when they allowed those reports to be published. As far as I know, Mr. Federowicz has no formal education past high school. He is a dialysis technician, (something that requires only on-the-job training, and the supervision of an RN). On the Cold Filter cryonics forum, Mr. Federowicz publicly claimed to have one been a "board-eligible perfusionist," a statement that implied he was familiar with the requirements. Mr. Federowicz has never even come close to meeting those requirements, and when I challenged him on that lie, he disappeared from the forum, never to return. A hospice nurse, who was present for an Alcor case, claims Mr. Federowicz falsely presented himself and another Alcor staff members as nurses.

Recently, Catherine Baldwin, manager of Suspended Animation, in Boynton Beach, Florida, referred to herself as the "backup surgeon," in a published case report. Ms. Baldwin is not a physician, much less a surgeon, (or any sort of medical professional, as far as I know), and she demonstrated a lack of pertinent knowledge, in regard to the procedure she was attempting, while she was pretending to be a surgeon. [cryomedical.blogspot.com]

Someone on Cold Filter wants to maintain that the terms "physician" and "patient" are subjective, but I say they are not. When companies such as Alcor and Suspended Animation publish case reports, which sometimes include photographs of people in medical garb appearing to be in a surgical setting, and refer to some of those people as "surgeons," or other types of medical professional, when those people sometimes possess nothing more than a high school diploma, I believe that constitutes fraud. Throw in the fact that people associated with those companies have been known to encourage their members to donate irrevocable trusts and/or bequeath their estates to organizations, such as Alcor, and this gets REALLY UGLY.

Vyffs responses to cryonics factsheet

PDATED - 18/10/10
It would appear that Shannon Vyff got involved in this by trying to "help" in a misguided way. She apologized for her part and we have included her side of the story below. IT DID look from the e-mails on the cryonics cache website that she had been involved in editing and head twisting. However in the sake of fairness we have posted her side of things - she is the only one who has come forward. She (Vyff) says was only trying to help Amanda (as some kind of cryonics social worker) but got embroiled in the mess by association - she wrote to us with her side of things.
from e-mail: (edited so as not to include unneccesary personal details)



Dear !jill
I have never met Amanda Blevins, I was not in Florida for the teens and twenties event, I've never met Shannon Blevins. I've never met Jim Y, or Edgar S, and only heard from Shannon Blevins recently how they met and offered the Blevins a trust, then started encouraging, enlisting Amanda to do "promotion" for them. ACS is not connected with the Society for Venturism, nothing much goes on with the Society of Venturism anyway.The Society for Venturism was set up for cryonics advocacy and support, along with giving cryonicists a way to express that they do not wish for autopsy. I've never been to any live meeting of the Venturists, as they are hardly any members. The board work is done by email, and is not regular, people talk maybe once a year when we discuss helping in some way. I've not met David Pizer. I have met John Strickland and his lovely wife when I was living for a year in the UK, they are nice people. John helped start the Venturists and is a sincere, honest person from what I've seen.

I don't believe in cryonics, and say it only has a 1 to 2 percent chance of working anyway and that it makes sense to try it. I don't expect it to work however, it would be a nice surprise if it did-and I would continue doing good in what ways I can, then as I do now.
I only have volunteer positions in "extreme life extension" organizations, it is like a hobby of mine. I've heard a lot of gossip about cryonics over the years, and I had heard about the Edgar porn business thing. When I recently talked with Shannon Blevins he said that Edgar still has one and that it has some kind of Satanic porn. I've not seen it, but you might want to investigate that.

I was introduced by Ben Best to Amanda Blevins by email, and tried to give her advice with her situation. She told me things that she was worried about, such as whether or not I thought what some ACS leaders was doing, was inappropriate. I did not know about ACS and asked around, then I heard about one of the leaders having made money from a porn industry. I relayed that information to Amanda, and I tried to be a friend to her--saying that she did not need to get attention from men in a flirtatious way. I was sad to see the way things played out, how there was a money trail from ACS to Amanda's paypal that her husband sent out. That her husband sent private emails out, and that some of them were mine--thus my name somehow got wrapped into the story, when I'd never physically met these people and was trying to help (not to mention, figure out what was up with ACS.)
I do think there are problems in certain parts of the cryonics community, beyond even what Melody Maxim talks about. But it is not my goal to hurt the whole community, I'd just like to see it get better, as I believe is the goal of Melody.

Anyway, I appreciate you taking the time to get things straight on your site. I do think some very inappropriate and sad things were offered by some in leadership at ACS to Amanda, and that it has sadly effected her family. I'm glad that her husband is being a good dad for those kids, he went through so much, as did they--and they all need the stability and peace. I was happy to hear that the children have become more talkative and outgoing--they have been thriving in the household since it is not tension filled.

Yes, my name was on some emails--and I did share some of my own problems from my past, even present --but I was trying to show how one can overcome them, and that everyone has problems. I was opening up as one would to a friend. I do think there is a story there to tell though if someone would get to the bottom of it, I don't know where ACS gets its money --who is supporting Amanda now, where she is, etc.

All the best,
Shannon ‎Vyff

Its worth mentioning that Shannon Vyff used the same e-mail address as the "leaked" e-mails on the external website (shannonvyff@yahoo.com) - so if her side of the story is true is up for question. Some might say it is the smoking gun to her involvement, others might say she is just a good natured person who is also being manipulated by "cryonics guru's". Whats worth noticing is how she pretty much confirms everything about Best, Yount and Swankt and tries to remove herself from all the abuse claims. She plays a good game - the passionate church going middle class valley girl who just markets cryonics as a "hobby" - but we are not sure she is being 100% honest with us.

She also keeps e-mailing us - confirming some things, getting her guru's in trouble and then trying to make out shes not involved

See here:

[sites.google.com] +

also someone sent me this link

Rudi Hoffman video - and him saying how he is making money out of 83% of cryoncists in the world.

Theres his interview here: [www.depressedmetabolism.com]

"Of great concern, of course, are the details of cryonic estate planning. Including the question, “How do I find a trustee to manage and grow the money, who understands the concept of cryonics and my wishes, and who won’t run off with the money?”

There are structures in place to have oversight in depth for trustee arrangements. Currently, a small group of cryonicists are in process of developing a cryonics oriented trust company employing younger cryonicists as trustees for the accounts."

sorry if this is old news - but its news to me

How can a person, promote people like David Pizer and his cryonics businesses, through hundreds of online postings, and then say they have "never met" that person?
Is that believable?
Is that responsible?
Does that mean they have never exchanged emails, or talked on the phone?
Never met at a cryonics meeting?
What is up with that?


The Society of Venturism has been explored in this thread, in fact its the CHURCH of Venturism.
They have many goals.
One of the most outrageous, is their version of Ventureville, which is a Cryonicsville. Where elderly cryonics members move onto private property in a type of "cryonics compound", and sign over power of attorney to the Venturists, sign over their Wills, Estates, all their investments, insurance, and medical care, and everything else to the Venturists.

And then try to avoid autopsies with a religious objection, using "friendly" local authorities, who are apparently buddies with the chief Venturists. (wink wink $$)

This is exactly what they have said.
The recipe for elder abuse is beyond outrageous. Elder abuse is a very serious problem, as when people get older, they can get more vulnerable, and can get taken advantage of, especially financially.
And if a cryonics sect has taken over all their assets, and will get a payout of MILLIONS when they die, and this cryonics sect is able to avoid autopsies as they are "buddies" with the small-town local authorities (wink wink), and this cryonics sects believes in putting healthy people on a table and euthanizing people, to get a "better cryonics freezing".

That is basically the worst case scenario of any sect out there.
Its a perfect storm of bringing in vulnerable elderly people, and dispatching them from life on a schedule, collecting millions, and not having any filthy "outsiders" be able to know if people died of natural causes, or were euthanized to get a "better" cryonics freezing.

None of this is hyperbole, its already alleged to have happened, without a Cryonicsville to hide behind.
So whether its simply people getting scammed for $50 a month, or losing their entire Estates and all their investments in a cryonics swindle, or worst case, the setting up of a shielded Ventureville cryonics death factory, to collect millions and (billions they hope) from the funeral industry of vulnerable aging cryonicists, and behind a razor-wire fence in some bizarre Cryonicsville.

Again, none of this is phantasy, its what they have said they want.

There is no such thing as cryonics estate planning.
Once people hand over their money in an irrevocable trust, its gone forever. The "trustee" can "manage" that money as they see fit, using any loophole they want.

Notice how the cryonics financial "expert" knows only too well the concept of "running off with the money".
Perfect statement of reality.

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richiekgb

"Of great concern, of course, are the details of cryonic estate planning. Including the question, “How do I find a trustee to manage and grow the money, who understands the concept of cryonics and my wishes, and who won’t run off with the money?”