Thanks for sending that link, Zeusor. What an interesting turn of events for Ole Anthony! 42 million dollars in tax funded bond monies!!!Those other questions were also very revealing: "How much of members' tithes and offerings and other donations have been spent for Ole Anthony's pain medications for the last 20 years? "Please provide the credit card statements for a
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That's Cult 101. To be an effective cult leader you must get the followers to: (1) Distrust their judgement, thoughts, opinions because of course, those thoughts are evil or an "abomination to God." (2) Discount everything they have been taught; (2) Understand that as the leader, you have been given the keys to the mysteries of God; (3) Destroy their individuality and sense of
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Here's Counselor47's letter to the editor which was printed in this week's edition of the Dallas Observer. QuoteI will be interested to see if The Dallas Morning News does anything about this story, or if they will continue to be punked by the Observer. Ever since my wife's book about our experiences at the Trinity Foundation, I Can't Hear God Anymore: Life in a Dallas
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I don't think the issue is CCC's greed (although it may not have been worth the trouble when the clip was only on Ole Anthony's little store - it reached a whole other level when it was broadcast on national tv). I think the real issue here is that Ole and his Trinity Foundation intentionally set out to portray Fred Price in a negative light. The clip was taken out of context an
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The Zeus is right on this one, Counselor. Someone needs to watch the "watchdog."
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The suit states that Stossel and Ruppel knew that Anthony and Trinity were “biased and unreliable sources.” That says it all.
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Info on the lawsuit: Excerpt: "In response to multiple media inquiries, the 22,000-member Crenshaw Christian Center announced today that it had placed on the Internet a copy of its pastor’s defamation lawsuit against ABC News and correspondent John Stossel along with a short video that sets the record straight. Dr. Frederick K.C. Price, founder and pastor of Crenshaw Christian Center
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Counselor47, I would be interested in hearing more about the cult conference that you went to. Was there anything that pertains to this thread or would be helpful for us to know? Thanks, Seeking
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By the way, Trinity Foundation has its public financial documents on that Guidestar too. Doesn't mean anything. Ask the folks at Enron.
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Hey Zeus, I agree with Cultaware and Counselor47. You know that saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me." We've all been there and can see those BIG RED FLAGS waving like crazy. Oh course, this person is going to try to make you feel like there is something wrong with you (distrustful spirit, rebellious or whatever), but there are too many healthy church
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Zeuszor - thank you for sharing all of that. How amazing. What a journey! I thank God that you had the emotional and intellectual honesty to read Wendy Duncan's book. And I thank God that you weren't there that long - I think you probably would have been more entrenched. Very interesting. Thanks again for telling us about it.
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Maybe NathanA is unemployed?
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I agree with Mark and the Zeus. Counselor47 always tries to be too fair and balanced. Call it what it is! Still Seeking
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QuoteI am sure God has used Ole and Trinity for some things that are good. Well, Counselor47, God used a jackass too. Yes, God is able to use anyone or anything (even the televanglists!) for His good and His glory. But, and this is a but with a capital B, just because God can and does use people does not mean they are not evil or that they are necessarily believers. Ole can yak all day about h
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Where are the Trinity Foundation's defenders now? It seems Wendy's book is receiving more acknowledgements from credible sources. I notice NathanA and Cherenuff have disappeared. It's hard to admit when we're wrong about something or someone we believed in.
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Hey, Cherenuff, How can you say that the notes were destroyed "weeks ago" and in a few sentences later say something about JUST reading about a two-year who was raped and murdered? Were the notes really destroyed WEEKS AGO, or are you exaggerating about JUST having read something?
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Hey, Rick Ross is back! Sure was down for a long time. I wonder why. Anyway, I can't believe you guys are still waiting for those documents to be shredded. In my opinion, Cherenuff was just blowing smoke like in her usual posts. Anthony is not going to give up any control. He's a cult leader, remember?
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Hey Cultaware, Hope you are not holding your breath for those notes. Trinity Foundation led by the great Ole Anthony is a CULT. Cult leaders don't give in to requests from inferior peons. I notice neither Cheriff or NathanA is defending them now.
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Mark, can you share the insights that strengthened your faith?
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I can imagine that it would be hard to change one's perspective/opinion - the paradigm shift.
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Glad to hear you're not neutered, Mark. :P Ran across this blog about Duncan's book: I read a lot of books and review a percentage of them. Because I'm a reviewer, I receive far more books than I could ever review. Occasionally, a book comes my way that I want to review but can't, for whatever reason (it's self-published, my clients aren't interested in the
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Mr. Alnor, Did you follow the Matthew 18 process with Mark Schneidder? Is your post the third step of taking it to the church?
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QuoteNathanAQuoteone must recognize in the most complete way their own depravity before they can truly be grateful for the righteousness from God. I would agree with you on that point, Nathan. Crack addict or plain Jane screw-up, we all come to God equally unworthy. The beginning of a relationship with Christ starts with that first realization that we are totally depraved. But the good news and
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QuoteNathanAQuoteThe overall result of reading the book is that it has significantly deepened my concern that Ole has had far more control than any one man should have. While Ole struck me as a dominating personality, it seems even more clear that he has had too much control over many areas of TFI's culture. In fact he seems to be the creator of it. This troubled me from the beginning. This
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Quotecounselor47QuoteThey have Moses and the Scriptures, let them hear them. Let them read Wendy’s book with some honesty and true vulnerability. I think it's about time to shake the dust off our feet with good old Nathan. He does not have ears to hear.
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When the truth is found To be lies. You know the joy within you dies. Sums up TFI.
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Nathan, would you tell a former member of Scientology or any other cult that he should go to his cult leader and discuss his concerns before he writes about his experience? In my opinion, if you are dealing with a cult, the rules are different.
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QuoterrmoderatorThe book raises serious issues. I have not received complaints about the Trinity Foundation or Ole Anthony over the years, but the comments by former members in the book and here on the message board are compelling. The Trinity Foundation has done good work exposing unethical televangelists, but that doesn't excuse the conduct of Anthony described in the book. If the
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The overall result of reading the book is that it has significantly deepened my concern that Ole has had far more control than any one man should have. While Ole struck me as a dominating personality, it seems even more clear that he has had too much control over many areas of TFI's culture. In fact he seems to be the creator of it. This troubled me from the beginning. This suspicion has now
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He has a point, Nathan.
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