You are correct JCIMD. I was wrong. I ask forgiveness. I am just SO UNDENIABLY LIVID at the teachers who perpetuate false teachings and then wrongly become angry at people who have not yet moved beyond them. As if I am so perfect. I'm actually full of pride if this is my attitude and that is also the sin. I stand corrected. Please forgive me, Saddened.
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Well I said I was going to sign off this dang board but could not do it for long. Saddened's comments pretty much sum up what went wrong at TPC. I think I will rely on my own discernment, as DOD said she wanted to do, and God's still small voice to tell me what he wants me to know. That is exactly what got Mike into trouble "relying on his own 'discernment'." Hone
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Well...I'm checking off the board. It's been a good run. There doesn't seem to be much to talk about relating to Turning Point anymore, and honestly I cannot stand Ostra's posts anymore. I come here looking for information on TP and instead find the musings of a crazy person. This thread once had good discussion going about Turning Point, but I think Ostra has literally lost h
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Ostrasizedone!!!! There you go again Blabbering about nothing. What the hell are you talking about?? Can you please just keep it to blabber about TP and not your private musings about a lot of nothing? Please?
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Sheesh Ostra! I don't know what the hell you are talking about half the time!
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IF they are off Biblically? A pastor claiming that just by touching him people can be healed? Sounds downright unbiblical to me and like they need their own little forum group going on this forum. No IFS ands or buts about it!!!!!! Yes, pray for them and RUN FOR YOUR LIFE! Never return.
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Msledsoul: could you please share more detailed information about what Keff shared on Sunday? Where is he going? Who will preach in the interim? Are the old elders going to leave the church? Did Jeff. Say WHY he is leaving?
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Dear JCisMD? You say there is no more false doctrine. How about man-centered preaching? All Jeff does is preach about how we should act, what we should do or not do and he uses scripture to make his point. But does he even know how to tackle the tough passages in scripture? Do you even know what Christ-centered teaching sounds like? Have you ever listened to preachers who teach from God's pe
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QuotebuddyTPC Business Meeting 12:45 PM to 2:00 PM TPC Business Meeting Jan 23rd 12:45 to 2:00pm Main Campus For Regular attenders We will be covering the fallowing topics: * Elder Ratification * Vision for 2011 (Will the current Elders be stepping down?) Or another question: Which blind and deaf puppets who remained will be added to the elder board? I'm guessing some of
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I don't have a lot of money, but I would happily sacrifice to help with attorney fees.
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Send those cards and letters! Michael D Villamor 17719 Canyon Bloom Ln Richmond, TX 77407-4766 Household: Cynthia L Villamor
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Anyone have any experience with Ralph Messer or this cult in the Denver area? I have a friend who I thought was a believer, but he has gone WAY off the deep end here. I'm not so sure he even believes in the blood atonement anymore.
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QuoteBraveHeartQuoteUndeniablyLividIn all fairneee, that first post is old and the 2nd one is not "our" Mike. There is another Mike in the athletic arena that always comes up when you Google mike Villamor. This was an unfair jab. Are you making an apology, or are you trying to defined Mike? Whoa! I would never in a million years apologize for Mike Villamor. I probably misunderstood
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In all fairneee, that first post is old and the 2nd one is not "our" Mike. There is another Mike in the athletic arena that always comes up when you Google mike Villamor. This was an unfair jab.
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So Daughter. Does this mean you will lead the charge to court?
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And imagine Mike Villamor's personal tax debt for 2010. How will he pay taxes on $50,000? But oh -- they are going to California in December. Wish I could afford a nice family vacation! Oh! I probably could with all the money I gave to the Lord that the WOLVES devoured.
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Ostrasized you swing from one pole to the other being tossed about by every wind. There's a huge difference between judging fruit and judging people's hearts. I can say that their actions disgust me -- but I should never say THEY disgust me (however, I have said that.) What TP has done is WRONG. Their actions are WRONG. We're not judging their character, their hearts, their salvati
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I would contribute to lawyer fees in a HEARTBEAT!!
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Judi Johnston --Ministry Director???? WTF? She is so full of it. Never liked that woman. She posted on Chelsea Villamor's FB page that she dropped her phone in the toilet but was praying for God's resurrection power to fix it. GIVE ME AN EFFIN BREAK! AND she totally believes that crap that words actually have power and to never say anything negative. TP is still so sick!!!!!!
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Right Saddened! And we are ALL still awaiting the PUBLIC apology for the heresy, lies, deceit, loss of family and friends and CRAP that was vomited from the pulpit while the so-called "elders" stood by and did NOTHING! I want a PUBLIC apology for puking into my life!
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I think the Singers should sue the Villamors. We are commanded not to take our brothers to court, but I wonder if Mike is a brother. Only God know I guess, but his actions do not portray a regenerated heart.
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And so by having someone from Bill Johnson's fake school of ministry shows that TP is still embracing heresy and has absolutely no discernment. Maybe they are trying to rectify things outwardly, but bad theologyis obviously still an issue. They are still seeking after signs and wonders not God.
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I always got the feeling that they were "preaching to themselves." Whatever they are going through, they preach a sermon about it and the people are supposed to be on the same page. It's more of the same old self-help crap with a little scripture thrown in for emphasis. Not biblical preaching at all. I talked to someone the other day that mentioned "god centered" sermons
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Why don't you send this to Jeff Barnes' e-mail account. Not so sure he reads the forum. Excellent post TPR!!
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I wish Rick would post his apology here himself. Unless you are his friend on FB , which I'm not, we wouldn't know this first hand. He apologized to his friends! I want the opportunity to dialog with him so he can understand the full weight. I want to forgive, but I agree with Mville a little in that he left only after his idol did. And why did he leave? I want to know the real reason.
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Miki: Your logic is not Biblical. M&C might have been running the show, but in a Biblical church -- if there are truly qualified Biblical elders -- they would have called M&C on their crap and protected the sheep. I hold Jeff Barnes and all the so called elders equally responsible for the downward spiral of TP maybe even more than Mike Villamor. He could have been corrected and repented,
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I disagree with one point Timetospeak. The apology will never come from Mike -- he ran! The apology CAN and SHOULD still come from Jeff Barnes who allowed the crap in the church to continue. Many went to him with their concerns, and he told them they were divisive. I blame him and all the elders maybe even more than Mike. As elders they had the responsibility to protect the sheep. They did not. I
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And those who are left at TP are still believing it was Mike and Cyndi who were wronged. They "had" to leave town because everywhere they went people were "on their case" attacking them. "The enemy did this to them!" One of the elder's family is leaving because they are "hurt" by all of this. No one has owned anything of the false teachings or admitted
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Summer jubilee will still happen. Three school sites from mid-morning to early afternoon school supplies will be handed out. Its even posted on the school district website.
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One evidence of salvation is that one recognizes false teachings. Maybe those who left are truly saved and have entered through the narrow gate. Both gates, the wide and the narrow, are marked "heaven" but for those elders and others who say nothing about salse teaching it makes me wonder. Another Jesus was preqached. He was rich and went around with a large treasury. That's why th
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