Maybe if they repented they wouldn't have to "move." They could have been restored. Wouldn't that speak volumes to their kids? But running only teaches their kids that it's still the rats and weasels who are wrong. Yes, I feel sorry for them and I pray for them, but I am still angry and wanting them to make it right. They are still NOT owning thie crap!!!!!!!
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Until they own and repent of their heresies, fire the elders who didn't know what Biblical eldership is, aplogize in person to every single soul who left in pain, then TPCWOC remains a church NO ONE should attend, let alone return to. Its miles from being a healthy and well-balanced church. No church is perfect, but healthy and well-balanced is attainable.
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All this may be a good start. However.....until they repent of there heresies and slander and fire the elders who showed their lack of biblical knowledge by not discerning an wrong handling of scripture, the I say the garage is still on fire. And I don't know that Jeff Barnes is trained to rightly divide the word of truth or handle scripture in the fear of God. I'm still pssed as hell!
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Why hasn't anyone posted what the news really is? Have they repented? Have they fire the useless elders who didn't have the BALLS to stand against all the crap? Have they owned their lies, heresies, cover ups and slander. Will they reconcile with my family? How will they do that exactly? When they announce Mike was gone-- did they tell the truth or nake some excuse to cover the REAL r
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From the Marysville School District website: Summer Jubilee is Coming!... # Saturday, August 21 / 10:00 am – 1:00 pm Totem Middle School (Asbury Field) # Cascade Elementary School # Shoultes Elementary School Each location will have school supplies, food, and games. Fun for the whole family! Summer Jubilee is sponsored by local churches in support of students. My wife told me she heard
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Pastor Jeff: Now that Mike is gone -- you have the opportunity to lead the flock left in your care in the "true" faith. How about this.... Presently you are so concerned about saving people that you water down the gospel. You don't talk about repentance or confession of sin. You don't talk about the importance of humbling oneself or hungering and thirsting for righteousness
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Ostrasized; I'm really getting weary of all your posts. They are so long and repetitive. Maybe you could start a new thread "Aberrant Doctrinal Issues at TP" or something. Personally I want to read peiple's stories like the thread suggests....not read articles. I appreciate te work you have done, but not sure this is the most effective thread. Since you started posting multipl
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For David Luster: If you are SO concerned that people will think you are a Word Faith teacher and you truly do not want to be categorized as such then....why not just start preaching the WORD OF GOD. Choose a book in the BIBLE. Go through it verse by verse. You may be amazed at how the lives of the people in your church will change just by teaching them the Word of God. Do you not remember that t
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For David Luster: If you are SO concerned that people will think you are a Word Faith teacher and you truly do not want to be categorized as such then....why not just start preaching the WORD OF GOD. Choose a book in the BIBLE. Go through it verse by verse. You may be amazed at how the lives of the people in your church will change just by teaching them the Word of God. Do you not remember that t
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David is deceived. He goes to books instead of the Word of God. If an eartly father points out his child's wrongs in order to correct him and set him on the straight path, how much more our heavenly father. He's just gonna let me go on hurting myself? I don't think so! John 16:8 (NEB) "When he comes, he will convict the world, and show where right and wrong and judgment li
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I found this link on another post not related to TPCWOW. It is an AMAZING read -- could have been written by any one of us. I highly encourage you to read it. But I liked her resolution toward the end where she said: "Early on, Tripp and I decided it was useless to blame the church and the people who had hurt us. We prayed and asked God to show us why we had been vulnerable to this t
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Love this from Walter Martin! Test everything. Hold on to the good.Avoid every kind of everything evil. 1 Thessalonians 5:21-22 If you run your life by comparing your experiences in spiritual matters to other people's experiences in spiritual matters, and if you spend your life weighing experience against experience, you are never going to learn anything. You're supposed to get
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There is no difference.That is the point.Their teachings are twisted and their motives are obvious.Barnes is just a figurehead! But that's my question. If there is no difference, why did Mike have to step down Why not just keep going with Mike. Anybody have proof he was asked to step down. I thought he was on this quest for greatness and notoriety and apostleship so the elders gave him th
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I don't mean this as a challenge, but honestly want to know what's your proof that Villamors were ASKED to step down. Seems like it would have made more sense for the elders to plainly just ask him to repent and start focusing on the true gospel instead of the prosperity, health & wealth gospel. They're still doing that anyway -so what's the difference?
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And using a song with the words "so 'frickin' bad in a church bulletin!!!. Are you serious? I find this almost impossible to believe. But why should I find anything impossible to believe with this cult. It's so painful to me. Thank God my wife and I found a church where the pastor really preaches the Word of God. No more pep talks about having our best life now. What a concept
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Matt Chandler. Now this guy is talking about the difference between preaching about irreverent silly myths and preaching to change hearts. OMG -- this is what TP needs to hear! Heard about him through a post on John Piper somewhere. He's solid!
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I loved the Paul Washer video. And Reject, what you say about taking the truth mixed with error is what I hear ALL THE TIME from my friends still at TP. They say, "we take the good with the bad" or "those are disputable issues." And then they encourage the congregation to attend conferences where truth is mixed with error ALL THE TIME! Personally, I don't want to sit in a
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You're right! I remember once he said to me, "Well you're saved and I'm saved, and that's good!" Funny thing. Since I've left TP I doubt my salvation every single day. It torments me and I'm in constant fear I'm going to die and go to hell. I beg God not to send me there. I tell him daily that I believe. It's not because I left and I'm afraid
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Noone! I would be very careful about saying who you think is or is not saved. Only God knows that. I have been so angry to the point of being suicidal over leaving and losing my church. But God showed me that I need to forgive and let Him deal with Mike and Cyndi. Daily I am so angry at them -- it consumes me. But that's not helping me, it's only hurting me and they could obviously not
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QuoteTurningPointRejectA different approach to taking sabbatical A leader is as a leader does And that, my friends, is how it SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE at Turning Point. Pure honesty, no secrecy, no pretense. Frankly -- a godly man's approach. Hmmm what does that say about the men at TP? It speaks volumes doesn't it?
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Money Money Money. And TP LOVES these people!
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Kenneth Hagin -- holy laughter -- you won't BELIEVE THIS!
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Another CANCER at TP is the belief system of the Ralstons who now have great influence there. If you don't have a full stomach (you could become ill) , Google Kenneth Hagin laughing and see the lunatic under whom they received their education it's demonic!
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All it says about you is that you were shell shocked for a season -- and then you wised up and got the hell out of there. That's all. You wanted to give -- you gave -- you wised up to all the additional crap that was going on -- you left. Good on you!
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Photos on Facebook of Easter Service. Lots of new "suckers" oops I mean new faces in the crowd. I cannot judge their walk with Christ or their sincerity, but I wonder. How many of those new faces are new converts to the prosperity Jesus -- and not the Jesus of righteousness, judgment, mercy and grace. How many of them have heard that they are wretched sinners and God's wrath, everl
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Where are Mike's friends? That's what has made me so angry. No one ever stood up to him. Idiots all!!
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That's really good OstrasizedOne. I don't think they resemble Amway other than their new "bring 2" plan. They're not doing that to save souls but to bring in more tithers so they can afford to keep the sinking ship afloat. And what's with 2 services? I guess they're doing that "in faith" to produce more tithers. I wonder if Jeff Barnes will ever preac
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I left TP a while ago and have been following the forum. I found this article and thought it aptly summarized some of the beliefs of people at TP. And I believe that the leadership endorses or follows some of these people. I've included the link to the entire article which also includes references. CREFLO DOLLAR Creflo A. Dollar is the founder of the nearly 24,000-member World Changers
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