I know for a fact (from a credible source) that the day JRS had visions of the future at Holy Jim Canyon, Martha laced his toilet paper with LSD. If anyone dare question me about this, I will shun you for eternity. Yes, I will.




Thanks light777 for giving us tp fodder to have fun with.

filthy apron Wrote:
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> > Howamidoin'
> I don't know what to say but thanks for being
> brave and resilient!


My sentiments, also, howmidoin. Talking about the hurt. The pain. The injustice. Part of the therapy.

I sure appreciate the new posters, as well as those who have recently posted after taking a break for a while. Everyone sharing their story is certainly helpful to others. I spent a couple of years with a shrink trying to sort through things and perhaps the most important thing I learned from that period was that I was not nuts. Even though I was clinically depressed, it was comforting to know that my reactions to what I had lived through were normal. PTSD is quite real. It took me about ten years to get over the vivid nightmares of bloody sword fights, and even longer before my wife could wake me up without me attacking her - thinking I was fighting for my life. Even the dog was not safe to wake me, as the hole in the bedroom wall about 10 feet away proved – and he was 65 lbs.

It has been about 18 years since I left TLWF and I no longer have any of those symptoms. Sleep is sweet and peaceful. I know for a fact the madness can end. Perhaps time does heal, but I’m not so convinced. I’ve communicated with many - you’ve seen some of their posts - and the wounds are as though they happened yesterday – and it was 30 years ago. Just a normal compassionate person without God would not want this to happen to anyone. It’s hard to imagine how leaders can continue to spiritually abuse their followers and not care about the damage that is being done. It would seem that you would have to be incredibly self-centered to feel nothing.

In addition to therapy, I read every book even remotely related to cults and mind control I could get my hands on. It was helpful to learn about control techniques that were identical in many groups, not just Christian, and realize it had been taking place in TLWF. Although interesting, it didn’t fix me on the inside. The real healing started when I went back to the words of Jesus – the very thing I thought caused all this mess – and started putting them into practice. What I began to discover was the Jesus in the New Testament and the Jesus in TLWF were not the same. It was like starting all over. The Jesus in the New Testament wanted to serve, not be served. He was willing to lay down his life for his enemies, not prophesy judgement on them. He was concerned how the least were being treated, not the greatest. He wasn’t just a little different – He was the exact opposite. There was good reason for thinking “Christ in the Flesh” was messed up – he was! Taking a good honest look at the red letters gives you a completely different lens than the “revelation teaching” of TLWF.

It is an eye opener when you begin to realize that the still small voice within you can be trained to deceive you. There are terrorists that honestly believe they are following God by becoming suicide bombers. For a season, I set aside my own thinking (I know – red flag!) as well as the teaching of others - I didn't trust either one - and just focused on the words of Jesus. He had earned my trust over a lifetime. Others had twisted his words to serve their own ends, but I had never found what he actually said to be false. He said I had one teacher and it was him. I just accepted that at face value. Whatever he said that I put into practice – not just studied – started healing me from the inside out. It started with being willing to forgive – including myself. Honestly, it was a supernatural miracle. I started caring for people that had been completely off my radar.

The following words of Jesus are so applicable to those of us who have been wounded by TLWF: “When he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired men have food to spare, and here I am starving to death! I will set out and go back to my father and say to him: Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son; make me like one of your hired men.’ So he got up and went to his father. But while he was still a long way off, his father saw him and was filled with compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his arms around him and kissed. The son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and against you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his servants, ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him. Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet. Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.”

The real Father is nothing at all like the earthly men we have called father – even though Jesus told us not to. There is no shame in recognizing that we missed the mark when it came to knowing him. None of us have ever been worthy. He doesn’t love us because we are good, but because He is good. He can resurrect a relationship with us that we thought was completely dead and beyond hope – only this time it will bring healing and life instead of wounds. This is the real living word.

REPACKAGED FOR A NEW UNSUSPECTING GENERATION:

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"Fulfill The Original Vision Of The School Of Prophets"

March 25, 2017 — Saturday — by Gary Hargrave
[www.garyandmarilynhargrave.com]

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"The Kingdom Of God Is Not Of This World"

March 25, 2017 — Saturday — by Gary Hargrave
[www.garyandmarilynhargrave.com]

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"The Saints Possess The Kingdom"

March 26, 2017 — Sunday — by Gary Hargrave
[www.garyandmarilynhargrave.com]

larry bobo Wrote:
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> I sure appreciate the new posters, as well as
> those who have recently posted after taking a
> break for a while. Everyone sharing their story
> is certainly helpful to others. I spent a couple
> of years with a shrink trying to sort through
> things and perhaps the most important thing I
> learned from that period was that I was not nuts.
> Even though I was clinically depressed, it was
> comforting to know that my reactions to what I had
> lived through were normal. PTSD is quite real.
> It took me about ten years to get over the vivid
> nightmares of bloody sword fights, and even longer
> before my wife could wake me up without me
> attacking her - thinking I was fighting for my
> life. Even the dog was not safe to wake me, as
> the hole in the bedroom wall about 10 feet away
> proved – and he was 65 lbs.
>
> It has been about 18 years since I left TLWF and I
> no longer have any of those symptoms. Sleep is
> sweet and peaceful. I know for a fact the madness
> can end. Perhaps time does heal, but I’m not so
> convinced. I’ve communicated with many -
> you’ve seen some of their posts - and the wounds
> are as though they happened yesterday – and it
> was 30 years ago. Just a normal compassionate
> person without God would not want this to happen
> to anyone. It’s hard to imagine how leaders can
> continue to spiritually abuse their followers and
> not care about the damage that is being done. It
> would seem that you would have to be incredibly
> self-centered to feel nothing.
>
> In addition to therapy, I read every book even
> remotely related to cults and mind control I could
> get my hands on. It was helpful to learn about
> control techniques that were identical in many
> groups, not just Christian, and realize it had
> been taking place in TLWF. Although interesting,
> it didn’t fix me on the inside. The real
> healing started when I went back to the words of
> Jesus – the very thing I thought caused all this
> mess – and started putting them into practice.
> What I began to discover was the Jesus in the New
> Testament and the Jesus in TLWF were not the same.
> It was like starting all over. The Jesus in the
> New Testament wanted to serve, not be served. He
> was willing to lay down his life for his enemies,
> not prophesy judgement on them. He was concerned
> how the least were being treated, not the
> greatest. He wasn’t just a little different –
> He was the exact opposite. There was good reason
> for thinking “Christ in the Flesh” was messed
> up – he was! Taking a good honest look at the
> red letters gives you a completely different lens
> than the “revelation teaching” of TLWF.
>
> It is an eye opener when you begin to realize that
> the still small voice within you can be trained to
> deceive you. There are terrorists that honestly
> believe they are following God by becoming suicide
> bombers. For a season, I set aside my own
> thinking (I know – red flag!) as well as the
> teaching of others - I didn't trust either one -
> and just focused on the words of Jesus. He had
> earned my trust over a lifetime. Others had
> twisted his words to serve their own ends, but I
> had never found what he actually said to be false.
> He said I had one teacher and it was him. I just
> accepted that at face value. Whatever he said
> that I put into practice – not just studied –
> started healing me from the inside out. It
> started with being willing to forgive –
> including myself. Honestly, it was a supernatural
> miracle. I started caring for people that had
> been completely off my radar.
>
> The following words of Jesus are so applicable to
> those of us who have been wounded by TLWF: “When
> he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my
> father’s hired men have food to spare, and here
> I am starving to death! I will set out and go
> back to my father and say to him: Father, I have
> sinned against heaven and against you. I am no
> longer worthy to be called your son; make me like
> one of your hired men.’ So he got up and went
> to his father. But while he was still a long way
> off, his father saw him and was filled with
> compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his
> arms around him and kissed. The son said to him,
> ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and
> against you. I am no longer worthy to be called
> your son.’ But the father said to his servants,
> ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him.
> Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet.
> Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have
> a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was
> dead and is alive again; he was lost and is
> found.”
>
> The real Father is nothing at all like the earthly
> men we have called father – even though Jesus
> told us not to. There is no shame in recognizing
> that we missed the mark when it came to knowing
> him. None of us have ever been worthy. He
> doesn’t love us because we are good, but because
> He is good. He can resurrect a relationship with
> us that we thought was completely dead and beyond
> hope – only this time it will bring healing and
> life instead of wounds. This is the real living
> word.

A while back there was a meaningful discussion on this forum about forgiveness. One poster said most here don't want to forgive. I don't think that is true. Some have forgiven and some are currently working through it. Anyway, I'm not trying to resurrect that conversation, but forgiveness doesn't have to be seen through a spiritual lens. In many ways it can be a practical tool towards a more peaceful life and in that way may reduce PTSD. The following link looks at forgiveness from a secular perspective, not spiritual and IMO is worth taking a look at.

[lakesideconnect.com]

larry bobo Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I sure appreciate the new posters, as well as
> those who have recently posted after taking a
> break for a while. Everyone sharing their story
> is certainly helpful to others. I spent a couple
> of years with a shrink trying to sort through
> things and perhaps the most important thing I
> learned from that period was that I was not nuts.
> Even though I was clinically depressed, it was
> comforting to know that my reactions to what I had
> lived through were normal. PTSD is quite real.
> It took me about ten years to get over the vivid
> nightmares of bloody sword fights, and even longer
> before my wife could wake me up without me
> attacking her - thinking I was fighting for my
> life. Even the dog was not safe to wake me, as
> the hole in the bedroom wall about 10 feet away
> proved – and he was 65 lbs.
>
> It has been about 18 years since I left TLWF and I
> no longer have any of those symptoms. Sleep is
> sweet and peaceful. I know for a fact the madness
> can end. Perhaps time does heal, but I’m not so
> convinced. I’ve communicated with many -
> you’ve seen some of their posts - and the wounds
> are as though they happened yesterday – and it
> was 30 years ago. Just a normal compassionate
> person without God would not want this to happen
> to anyone. It’s hard to imagine how leaders can
> continue to spiritually abuse their followers and
> not care about the damage that is being done. It
> would seem that you would have to be incredibly
> self-centered to feel nothing.
>
> In addition to therapy, I read every book even
> remotely related to cults and mind control I could
> get my hands on. It was helpful to learn about
> control techniques that were identical in many
> groups, not just Christian, and realize it had
> been taking place in TLWF. Although interesting,
> it didn’t fix me on the inside. The real
> healing started when I went back to the words of
> Jesus – the very thing I thought caused all this
> mess – and started putting them into practice.
> What I began to discover was the Jesus in the New
> Testament and the Jesus in TLWF were not the same.
> It was like starting all over. The Jesus in the
> New Testament wanted to serve, not be served. He
> was willing to lay down his life for his enemies,
> not prophesy judgement on them. He was concerned
> how the least were being treated, not the
> greatest. He wasn’t just a little different –
> He was the exact opposite. There was good reason
> for thinking “Christ in the Flesh” was messed
> up – he was! Taking a good honest look at the
> red letters gives you a completely different lens
> than the “revelation teaching” of TLWF.
>
> It is an eye opener when you begin to realize that
> the still small voice within you can be trained to
> deceive you. There are terrorists that honestly
> believe they are following God by becoming suicide
> bombers. For a season, I set aside my own
> thinking (I know – red flag!) as well as the
> teaching of others - I didn't trust either one -
> and just focused on the words of Jesus. He had
> earned my trust over a lifetime. Others had
> twisted his words to serve their own ends, but I
> had never found what he actually said to be false.
> He said I had one teacher and it was him. I just
> accepted that at face value. Whatever he said
> that I put into practice – not just studied –
> started healing me from the inside out. It
> started with being willing to forgive –
> including myself. Honestly, it was a supernatural
> miracle. I started caring for people that had
> been completely off my radar.
>
> The following words of Jesus are so applicable to
> those of us who have been wounded by TLWF: “When
> he came to his senses, he said, ‘How many of my
> father’s hired men have food to spare, and here
> I am starving to death! I will set out and go
> back to my father and say to him: Father, I have
> sinned against heaven and against you. I am no
> longer worthy to be called your son; make me like
> one of your hired men.’ So he got up and went
> to his father. But while he was still a long way
> off, his father saw him and was filled with
> compassion for him; he ran to his son, threw his
> arms around him and kissed. The son said to him,
> ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and
> against you. I am no longer worthy to be called
> your son.’ But the father said to his servants,
> ‘Quick! Bring the best robe and put it on him.
> Put a ring on his finger and sandals on his feet.
> Bring the fattened calf and kill it. Let’s have
> a feast and celebrate. For this son of mine was
> dead and is alive again; he was lost and is
> found.”
>
> The real Father is nothing at all like the earthly
> men we have called father – even though Jesus
> told us not to. There is no shame in recognizing
> that we missed the mark when it came to knowing
> him. None of us have ever been worthy. He
> doesn’t love us because we are good, but because
> He is good. He can resurrect a relationship with
> us that we thought was completely dead and beyond
> hope – only this time it will bring healing and
> life instead of wounds. This is the real living
> word.


LARRY BOBO: That is phenomenal and absolutely identical to what I have been learning and having a revelation of in my life currently. I'm positive God is working in those that are paying attention to His words right now. I'm so blessed that He had called me by name from before the foundations of the earth - BEFORE I was in my mother's womb!! That is such an incredible revelation of my Father God, of Jesus my savior. Wow!! I was never taught about Jesus in any real, substantial way until I left LW. What a travesty that so many I cared for are living under these perverse lies. Thank you for your post, it was like a beautifully structured sermon.

Dude. If your wife is afraid of you and you bashed in the wall with your dog, you have underlying problems for which you cannot blame the walk.

lily rose – We tend to think forgiveness is about the other person, when in fact we are the ones who are set free. It opens the door for God to be active in the other person’s life as well – and He is far more merciful than we would be. The prayers of a right spirit are very powerful. He can help them in ways we don’t even have the ability to understand. He is a good God who causes the rain to fall on the evil and the righteous – we are the ones who would rather kill, steal and destroy when our old nature has free reign. When you start to love people you used to hate, you, of all people, will know that God’s Spirit is at work in your heart. Also, a word of caution, we will be forgiven the way we forgive others. When we have been forgiven a huge debt, we need to be faithful to forgive the small debt others owe us. Forgive, and then trust God to sort it all out – “Vengeance is mine, I will repay.” He’s way better at it than we are.

howmidoing – Thanks for the encouraging words. Jesus’ teaching was not even his own - it came from his Father. Most of Christianity has abandoned the commands of Jesus, thinking they are the Old Testament Law that does not apply to us. Jesus said, “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, (it’s still there the last time I looked) not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.”

Much of Jesus’ teaching was to clarify what the Father really meant so our righteousness would exceed that of the Pharisees - not to say that we no longer had to do it. He was trying to get us to obey in a way that there would actually be good fruit that the world could see. We are supposed to be the salt and light now. We need Jesus’ teaching now, not after we die. It’s much more than fire insurance taught by most Christians. AFTER he rose from the dead and gave the Great Commission, it was that we would make disciples by teaching them to obey all that he commanded. He didn’t say to do this until the Apostle Paul or John Stevens come along, and then you can ignore it and follow them.

Imagine what would happen to his Body, our marriages, etc. if we practiced even basic forgiveness like mentioned above. I’m not that bright, but even the most dense will eventually go read the directions when things don’t work right. What is fascinating to me now is how clearly he stated things that I was totally unable to see, even though they were right in plain sight. We not only have to do what he said, but do it the way he said. Who gives to others or fasts in a way that only the Father knows – not even your spouse. It is right there in plain sight, and when you do it, the lights come on.

LampShmamp - It was not something I would do while awake. I've always been an easygoing person. It would happen while I was in the middle of one of my "Braveheart" nightmares that my subconscious mind was trying to sort out. I was completely unaware of what I was doing. I have no doubt - and neither did my shrink - that it was directly related to TLWF. Part of my therapy was to write down my dreams immediately upon waking because they were so crazy. If it wasn't "Braveheart", it was mile high tidal waves and earthquakes that were destroying everything. It was not something I experienced prior to my time in TLWF, or something I experience now. You can check out my wife and animals on Facebook - they are all doing quite well. :)

kBOY Wrote:
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> REPACKAGED FOR A NEW UNSUSPECTING
> GENERATION:
>
> - - - - -
>
> "Fulfill The Original Vision Of The School Of
> Prophets"
>
> March 25, 2017 — Saturday — by Gary Hargrave
> [www.garyandmarilynhargrave.com]
> ill-the-original-vision-of-the-school-of-prophets/
>
Last night I brought a message titled, “Fulfill The Original Vision For The School Of Prophets” at Monte Sião, Niterói, Brazil.

Our founder John Robert Stevens envisioned a generation (the third generation whose time has past) who would have the ability to see (judge) and move in the realm of spirit (blame demons). He changed everything about his life and ministry (for more control) in order to focus on learning the spirit realm (white magic) and imparting this knowledge (white magic) to others. John functioned in the world of spirit, (blaming demons) and he believed to create a school of prophets who could move in the realm of spirit (blaming demons) and function as he did (blaming demons). The school of prophets must have this ability, (blame demons) for only in the realm of spirit can we (the little remnant) bind and loose (kick it up a notch) and bring the Kingdom of heaven to earth. In order to do this, (grab the power) the realm of spirit must not be hidden from us.