changedagain Wrote:
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> The regrets can be
> overwhelming.


I regret the time I didn't stand up for myself on this forum because I wanted to give someone the benefit of the doubt.

Almost done reading older posts. FCSLC and dbc wrote below set off the PTSD. Miller called dbc, "An enemy of the church." BS. Actually, worse was said to others. Done 4-wheeling FCSLC. Great escape from the pain.



FCSLC Wrote:
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> dbc wrote: “On another note - lots of talk
> about John Miller. He led the APCO team that set
> me outside of the fellowship. I was "an enemy of
> the church" and furthermore "would never be a
> successful member" - I would "drift from little
> movement to little movement" for a year or two at
> a time for the rest of my life.”
>
> -------------------------
>
> Thanks dbc for the Miller info. Miller was like
> best buddies with the controlling shepherd in Salt
> Lake City. It’s all beginning to make more
> sense now. I never could understand why there was
> so much going on that wasn’t God. Honesty,
> sincerity and love for God meant nothing to these
> people. It was all about who would be a “yes
> man” for the shepherd’s personal ministry; who
> would be a follower (flatterer) that they could
> count on.
>
> I would have been better off joining a desert
> “four-wheeling club” than CLW. At least a
> “four-wheeling club” isn’t out to deceive,
> destroy, rob, malign and exploit in the name of
> God.

kBOY Wrote:
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> Last weekends School of Prophets titles from
> Brazil:
>
> -WHERE DID YOUR TRUST GO?
> -WE POUR OURSELVES INTO ONENESS (out of distrust)
> -DO YOU TRUST GOD'S MOTIVATION
> -THE SCHOOL OF PROPHETS RESTORES OUR TRUST IN OUR
> FATHER
> -BALAAM'S COUNSEL--THE TACTIC OF SATAN
>
> Obviously, there are trust-issues fomenting within
> the fellowship or they would not have been
> subjected to such an outright beat-down.
>
> Caveat emptor.

As the toilet swirls.

"It sounds as though the fellowship is finally losing trust in Gary. A major step toward freedom!"

Bring it on!!!! Listen to your gut people.

larry bobo Wrote:
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> “THE SCHOOL OF PROPHETS RESTORES OUR TRUST IN
> OUR FATHER”
>
> I’ve mentioned it before, but I think it bears
> repeating. For some strange reason, JRS seems to
> be a sacred cow that nobody wants to objectively
> look at. You don’t get good fruit from a bad
> tree –

That is the truth. He is not sacred to me. I see clearly he caused this devastating pain for so many--it doesn't matter if he would not have wanted it to be this way-- he did what was best for # 1====period.

kBOY Wrote:
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> Celebration of Oneness through the Holy Spirit
> By Silas Esteves March 2nd, 2017
>
>
> Yesterday, following the conclusion of the School
> of Prophets, Gary Hargrave and Silas Esteves
> traveled to Rio de Janeiro to participate in the
> Rio de Água Viva (River of Living Waters) retreat
> at the SulAmérica Convention Center. Personally
> greeted at the parking entrance, Hargrave and
> Esteves were treated like VIPs as they were led
> inside and given backstage passes to the event.
>
> . . . this 50th anniversary celebration of the
> outpouring of the Holy Spirit on the Catholic
> church was palpable as row after row of seats held
> the 7,500 attendees. With a 10-foot high stage and
> two big screens . . . with the 1,100 confessions
> and 1,200 conversions.
>
> Arriving in the VIP waiting area, Hargrave and
> Esteves were greeted by Father Antonio José, whom
> along with Cardinal Dom Orani João Tempesta,
> invited them to speak at the event and participate
> in a special Mass that closed the weekend of
> celebration.
>
> As time passed connecting with several priests,
> seminary students, and other evangelical pastors;
> soon it was time for Hargrave to speak. Throughout
> his ten-minute message about oneness in the Body
> of Christ and the special placing of the Catholic
> Charismatic Renewal in affecting all of
> Christianity, the crowd continually cried out
> cheers of approval to what Hargrave was saying. At
> the close of the message, Father Antonio José
> used Hargrave and Esteves as a beautiful example
> of evangelicals that continually pray for Pope
> Francis, saying that many in the Catholic church
> need to follow their example and continually pray
> for the pope.
>
> Hargrave and Esteves were interviewed for Catholic
> radio and television, reaching out to over ten
> million believers in all of Brazil and the world,
> before being escorted to hold a private audience
> with Cardinal Dom Orani. As the three connected
> their hearts and drive to see oneness in the Body
> of Christ through the Holy Spirit, one could see
> that these three men of God were also dear
> friends.
>
> Today’s event was a sign of the true oneness
> that is being realized in the Body of Christ.
> Blending Hargrave’s and Cardinal Dom Orani’s
> messages in each of our hearts, it is evident that
> the Kingdom of God is being established on the
> earth.


good I hope he packs up and moves with all who want to join him. Just get it over with already---for God's sake.

lily rose Wrote:
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> Did you see those photos of Gary in Brazil? I
> think he gave up hairspray for Lent.


Ha!!! what pictures?

FCSLC Wrote:
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> larry bobo wrote in part:
>
> “In contrast, the report by Silas seemed to
> highlight the fact that they were VIPs – rather
> than servants with “simple and humble hearts”.
> Perhaps a relationship with the Cardinal will
> help open their eyes to what it really means to be
> a Christ follower and in turn they can truly be an
> instrument of oneness.”
>
> ------------
>
> Thank you for saying the above. I hope Silas
> reads the posts on this forum and gets a clue.


Silas is no angel. He loves it all--all the attention. And it is he who made these connections--not Gary. How do you think that will bode when it comes time to take a seat at the table--Gary? or Silas? that should be interesting. There is no honor among thieves of souls.

kBOY Wrote:
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> In spite of what may have been hoped to be good
> intentions on the part of TLW, they pretty much
> showed their cards, not only in the tone of this
> account, but also in similar accounts like this at
> the same time last year. As was then, so was now,
> a pretty shameless focus on self promotion rather
> than a focus on the message.
>
> The G-man revels in the accolades he receives in
> Brazil that are in stark contrast to those so
> blatantly absent in the States. It would not be
> so surprising that the days ahead see him relocate
> where the adoring crowds can sustain his VIP
> status, and where he can possibly pick up a girl
> from Ipanema along the way.

Ya think? I wish him Godspeed--get there!!!

lily rose Wrote:
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> [www.equip.org]
> t/
>
> Catholicism isn't a cult. I was raised Catholic.
> It's not anywhere close to the mind rape, rigid
> control and unquestioning submission of LW. Please
> read the link.


Here here--it is probably safer--plus people are nicer and there are many ways to express your faith in helping the poor--and others. I have thought about converting if only for the friendship and common sense--actually people being real. Just a thought except the word "church" makes me feel sick.