changedagain Wrote:
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> SouthGate Wrote:
>
> > I love reading your posts. Pretty much make me
> > laugh every time. Just curious, who was the
> pastor
> > when you left if you don't mind telling me.
>
> Thanks.
> McMullen--he was sincere in serving G & M, so even
> though we butted heads, I can't fault him. He was
> doing (I think) what was expected of him. Very
> dedicated.
> In retrospect, it's obvious that everyone (with
> the exception of Rick, perhaps) was disposable to
> G & M, in furthering their agenda. Look at how
> many 'apostles' were forced out/shunned/mistreated
> once they were no longer in alignment with 'Mom
> and Dad.'
> BTW, the memory of a particular Valley service in
> the 90's is still vivid to me. Gary announced the
> death of Bob McClane, a good friend of mine, and
> then proceeded to label Bob as a spiritual
> failure, and chastised those who were close to him
> for not looking out after his health. Such an
> expression of the father's heart! (sarcasm).


I think there in lies the problem. I never thought of them as "Mom and Dad", but more like "Sis and Bro".

I wasn't around when Bob was talked about like that, but I think his son is still involved. I've heard about what was said before, but can't say I agree with that statement. I know lots of people were devastated when John died, because we were believing for something different. I used to judge some people, so I can't say I'm innocent myself. Sucks that I was so stupid.

lily rose Wrote:
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> 2016--sounds as if your local church was far less
> cultish than those in So. Cal. Even though it
> happened years ago, I'd be very thankful for your
> pastor's view on "getting a word" as you were
> probably spared a lot of grief. I think the
> woo-woo communicating with the dead (M and John)
> feeds the nonsense you mentioned. Ya think there
> might be a scientist or astronaut in the
> congregation that would demand some kind of
> objective verification of this??


I remember mentioning to wife about me possibly working at Impact. She said, no, so that was the end of that.
:)

SouthGate Wrote:
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> I remember mentioning to wife about me possibly
> working at Impact. She said, no, so that was the
> end of that.
> :)

A wise wife. BTW, when Bob died he owed quite a bit of money to the IRS--around $130,000, I believe. Of course, that weighed on him immensely. He was also very isolated from G & M.
Aside from John, Gary and Marilyn, who benefited from designating a company a "Kingdom business"?

40yearsin2016 Wrote:
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> Being outside of So. Cal. we weren't totally
> immune.
>
> In 1979-80, JRS had our senior ministry staff
> deliver the word that many of "the best" of our
> local folks should move to Shiloh. Local senior
> ministry hand picked individuals that would
> relocate. Those who were young, unmarried or only
> recently married were candidates.
>
> That was the power of the cult: quit your job,
> drop out of school, move to Iowa to pick corn.
>
> Who needed a confirmation or a revelation (or a
> rocket scientist or an astronaut per Lily Rose :>
> ). It was an honor of the highest degree to be
> asked. Who could doubt it? How could you refuse?
> It was just an extension of the wild and and crazy
> adventure called the TLWF. I was devastated when I
> wasn't asked to go. God! I so wanted to be picked
> to go to Shiloh.
>
> For all who went it proved to be the worst choice
> of their lives. Those who were able to get out
> only lost 2 - 5 years in what should have been the
> most productive years of their lives.
>
> Others (some were my very best friends) are in the
> walk still... they've given up their whole of
> their lives.
>
> They were all wonderful, amazing talented young
> people with so much potential.
>
> Most are now broke. Many are divorced and
> estranged from their families. All of them are now
> old and their lives are almost over.
>
> That "word of wisdom" so long ago cost them
> everything...
>
> As for the woo-woo communicating; Hey John! hey
> Marilyn! and oh yeah, HEY GOD! Thanks for NOT
> picking me!
>
> PS: To anyone reading this who's still in TLWF.
>
> Everyone who posts here, to varying degrees,
> really do understand where you're coming from.
>
> But consider this: how much have you already given
> up - what is Gary & Co. going to require of you in
> the future? Will you also be old, broke and alone?
> Don't look for a confirmation or a revelation. Let
> your rational brain have a go at it for a while.
> Consider what others have suggested; take a break
> make some space between you and TLWF for a time.
>
> PSS: I pray God let's you off the hook and gives
> you some of the mercy he spared me...

This is one of the most honest assessments of what it has meant being part of the Walk/TLWF. Heartbreaking, but accurate.
Possible book title: 'GOD chose ME to pick corn in Iowa. I am Privileged!'

changedagain Wrote:
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> 40yearsin2016 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Being outside of So. Cal. we weren't totally
> > immune.
> >
> > In 1979-80, JRS had our senior ministry staff
> > deliver the word that many of "the best" of our
> > local folks should move to Shiloh. Local senior
> > ministry hand picked individuals that would
> > relocate. Those who were young, unmarried or
> only
> > recently married were candidates.
> >
> > That was the power of the cult: quit your job,
> > drop out of school, move to Iowa to pick corn.
> >
> > Who needed a confirmation or a revelation (or a
> > rocket scientist or an astronaut per Lily Rose
> :>
> > ). It was an honor of the highest degree to be
> > asked. Who could doubt it? How could you
> refuse?
> > It was just an extension of the wild and and
> crazy
> > adventure called the TLWF. I was devastated when
> I
> > wasn't asked to go. God! I so wanted to be
> picked
> > to go to Shiloh.
> >
> > For all who went it proved to be the worst
> choice
> > of their lives. Those who were able to get out
> > only lost 2 - 5 years in what should have been
> the
> > most productive years of their lives.
> >
> > Others (some were my very best friends) are in
> the
> > walk still... they've given up their whole of
> > their lives.
> >
> > They were all wonderful, amazing talented young
> > people with so much potential.
> >
> > Most are now broke. Many are divorced and
> > estranged from their families. All of them are
> now
> > old and their lives are almost over.
> >
> > That "word of wisdom" so long ago cost them
> > everything...
> >
> > As for the woo-woo communicating; Hey John! hey
> > Marilyn! and oh yeah, HEY GOD! Thanks for NOT
> > picking me!
> >
> > PS: To anyone reading this who's still in TLWF.
> >
> > Everyone who posts here, to varying degrees,
> > really do understand where you're coming from.
> >
> > But consider this: how much have you already
> given
> > up - what is Gary & Co. going to require of you
> in
> > the future? Will you also be old, broke and
> alone?
> > Don't look for a confirmation or a revelation.
> Let
> > your rational brain have a go at it for a
> while.
> > Consider what others have suggested; take a
> break
> > make some space between you and TLWF for a
> time.
> >
> > PSS: I pray God let's you off the hook and
> gives
> > you some of the mercy he spared me...
>
> This is one of the most honest assessments of what
> it has meant being part of the Walk/TLWF.
> Heartbreaking, but accurate.
> Possible book title: 'GOD chose ME to pick corn in
> Iowa. I am Privileged!'

Around that time Grace Chapel was the red-headed stepchild.

YASP = "Young Adults in Slavery but Privileged"

[Let’s all go to the commune to work for the enrichment of our divinely appointed overlords. Although we may end up poor, old, used up, alone, obsolete, destroyed and rejected, it is a requirement of the Lord to gain entrance into His Heavenly Kingdom. Trust and obey the Lord!!]

Can anyone on this forum give chapter and verse to debunk the above “irrational thinking?” I think time, history and personal stories on this forum prove that it’s BS, I still think more is needed. It would be prudent to have a scripture or two to use when an inspired newbie (child or grandchild) wants to jump off the cliff.

Mason and 2016 I liked reading your stories. I was reminded that I didn't want to leave Shiloh. A friend wrote to me that a mutual friend (divorced from one of John's sons) lives in a convalescent home near Shiloh although we don't know if our friend is an employee or resident.

FCSLC the following link addresses and debunks the ungodly control people like JRS, the Hargraves, David Koresch and others have gained by twisting the scriptures. The content of the link is kind of like to trying to read Calvin or Martin Luther. These men are known to have had great minds but their writings require great concentration. Anyway, I put the link in my favs and read it slowly a bit at a time.[www.freedominchrist.net]



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HEADBANGER NEWS: Frontal Lobotomy, Please

Exchange Your Paradigm For His Truth
January 8, 2017

[www.garyandmarilynhargrave.com]

"This fellowship has a Word (from what credible source?) to become the family of God and a prophetic community."

"What does it mean to be a prophet? How do we become the prophetic community God is looking for?" (TLW is obviously clueless.)

"We need a renewing of our minds (Ephesians 4:22-24)." (It has worked so well thus far.)

"There are concepts and paradigms in our minds (like ruling and reigning to an abusive level?) that can block us from becoming and creating what the Lord wants."

"There is nothing more dangerous than wrong paradigms (really?); they control our reactions to the world around us." (Like being under the control of TLW leadership?)

"If we are going to be prophets (is this still in question?), we need to let the Lord wash us of our paradigms and be transformed by the renewing of our minds (Romans 12:2)."

"As we pray in the Spirit and behold Him, He exchanges the lies with His truth and His truth sets us free." (How well has that worked thus far?)

If Gary keeps bringing recycled, lifeless messages like this one, he will be lucky to get a pairofdimes in the offering plate. This is pathetic.