Re: The Living Word Fellowship, The Walk, John Robert Stevens
Date: May 30, 2017 03:34AM
Invisible Wrote:
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> I agree we may warn - but I think it is important
> how we go about warning. Let your words be
> seasoned with grace.
>
> Okay - so some people completely condemn or all
> but condemn JRS. I believe I have been given the
> right to judge a "matter" for myself but not the
> right to personally judge to condemn the man, as
> if I were God.
>
> Deeds I can judge and the action I can take - is
> to not do the same myself but to bring forth fruit
> in keeping with repentance - my own repentance -
> turning to do what I believe I have found to be
> good.
>
> But who determines what is good? Is there any one
> offended in hearing that Jesus said, "That no one
> is good but God alone." So outside of or apart
> from God - man can do right according to what is
> right in a man's own sight. But I think - one can
> be assured that if a person's right is not the
> right - there are built in consequences, to be
> experienced.
>
> Or can we really bear to hear - you being ( evil )
> know how to give good gifts to your children. In
> Matthew 7 - verse 12 Jesus sums up part of his
> teaching on judging - with - Therefore, however
> you want people to treat you, so treat them, for
> this is the Law and the Prophets.
If we want people to know our love, should we not criticize or judge the teaching of JRS or G&M? After all no one is good. How do you nicely say TLWF is a cult, JRS and G&M mix truth with error, perverted the Gospel or forsake the truth of God ? How loving is it not to say anything? Poor, poor false teachers. Let's understand them and open our hearts to them and care. I do hope they get saved someday, but beyond that, I care much more about the members and damage to the members following cultish deception than if God shows mercy to JRS or G&M.
Of course none of us are perfect or good. But that doesn't exempt those who teach God's word from handling it rightly. Ever notice how those who want to silence JRS detractors do so in the name of not judging others. Yet they pass their own judgment by implying the detractors unmerciful or judgmental for sounding the alarm about the false teaching.
I found the following:
Matthew 7:1-5
“Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.”
But this passage is also one of the most misunderstood, as well. How can it possibly mean that we are never to evaluate the actions of another when the very next verse (verse 6) says:
“Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.”
A few verses later, Jesus warned, “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits” (Matthew 7:15-16).
In order to determine the “dogs,” “swine,” or wolves, we are required to make a judgment. Jesus acknowledged this when he said, “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment” (John 7:24).
So the issue is not whether we make judgments, it’s how we do it. We are not to be hypocritical and self-righteous, focusing on someone else’s “speck” while ignoring our own “log.” We are also never to judge anyone’s heart, for only God knows the heart. But we are expected to evaluate what we see and hear—actions and fruit—to determine if they are consistent with God’s Word and worthy of our following.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/30/2017 03:42AM by lily rose.