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Indoctrination vs, Training
Since this is an education forum, not a religious forum, a little latitude in discussion is needed to combat what is clearly a religious based indoctrination entity, Impact Trainings. They have chosen to proclaim ecumenical status, that is, worldwide or general in extent influence or application. Their deprivation of mental freedom offends not only all religions, atheists, but citizens of all persuasions. My objective here is to make an ecumenical statement in view of recent posts.
I know little of world religions, but I do know that they all have canonized literature of some form. Even Impact has that in things like that awful song about singing in the wind. I have used brief clips from LDS literature here in the past that I thought had an anti-Impact flavor. Actually I find all of these texts and the U.S. Constitution for that matter to have abundant anti-Impact literature. There is one more beautiful little piece of text that I think fits the time with this forum, wonderful SAMIZDAT, or self publishing irritant to Impact that it is. This comes from “Hymns of the Church…,” or what I call the fifth standard work. The words are by Susan Evans McCloud, in hymn 220, verse 3. It goes, “I would be my brother’s keeper, I would learn the healer’s art. To the wounded and the weary I would show a gentle heart.” Think of a Quest graduation. Were there ever a group of people, one hundred plus or minus in number, more wounded and weary than these? My biggest lesson from Impact is to not be confrontational to these souls. To the wounded and the weary, showing a gentle heart is the only way to go. Confrontation will surely make things much worse. They have lost, for a time at least, their power to think critically for themselves and make rational judgements. I could have quoted Steve Hassan on his experience with the Moonies. He says the same thing that I have said here in essence.
Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. It seems you are saying:
You learned great lessons on Impact.
The music was awful.
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RI has received serious complaints about Steve Hassan concerning his fees. Mr. Hassan does not publicly disclose his fee schedule, but according to complaints Steve Hassan has charged fees varying from $250.00 per hour or $2,500.00 per day to $500.00 per hour or $5,000.00 per day. This does not include Mr. Hassan's expenses, which according to complaints can be quite substantial.
Steven Hassan has charged families tens of thousands of dollars and provided questionable results. One recent complaint cited total fees of almost $50,000.00. But this very expensive intervention effort ended in failure.
Dr. Cathleen Mann, who holds a doctorate in psychology and has been a licensed counselor in the state of Colorado since 1994 points out, "Nowhere does Hassan provide a base rate and/or any type or accepted statistical method defining his results..."
Steve Hassan has at times suggested to potential clients that they purchase a preliminary report based upon what he calls his "BITE" model. These "BITE reports" can potentially cost thousands of dollars.
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Steve Hassan's cult intervention methodology has historically raised concerns since its inception. The book "Recovery from Cults" (W.W. Norton & Co. pp. 174-175) edited by Dr. Michael Langone states the following:
"Calling his approach 'strategic intervention [sic] therapy,' Hassan (1988) stresses that, although he too tries to communicate a body of information to cultists and to help them think independently, he also does formal counseling. As with many humanistic counseling approaches, Hassan’s runs the risk of imposing clarity, however subtly, on the framework’s foundational ambiguity and thereby manipulating the client."
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Professionals in the field of cultic studies have also expressed concerns regarding Steven Hassan's use of hypnosis and Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP).
Based upon complaints and the concerns expressed about Mr. Hassan RI does not recommend Steve Hassan for counseling, intervention work or any other form of professional consultation.
If your church took over Impact and changed the music, would that solve the problem?
I notice you also regularly post updates on Impact registration figures. Do you work for Impact? :?
Can you please provide Steve Hassan's quote? I think the comments you refer to are about the methods of deprogramming - by persuasion and activating the person's old self, as opposed to using force - rather than a comment on how to have a discussion on an internet forum.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/10/2013 09:29PM by rrmoderator.