GOD, after I left the Impact LGAT, I was asked to find a therapist by my family (they begged me really). In the first session, no sooner had she asked me to close my eyes and meditate, I started to hyper-ventilate. She learned pretty quickly what the extent of the damage was. I'm fortunate she is brilliant, I've done about a 165 (still working on the 180) turnaround since seeing her. I feel yaQuote
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After that whole experience, it would be very hard for me to trust another therapist entirely.
Same here. I have made several attempts at therapy to get past the cult experience. One of the attempts (re-evaluation counseling) I now learn derives from scientology. Two other group therapists talk/ed (one current, one past) the new-age stuff, e.g. energy flows where attention goes. When I hear that crap, I feel very alienated in the "therapy", even pissed off. I agree that this crap seems to have seeped into many, many minds, seriously contaminating how people think. It is scary. It really is like a virus.
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GOD, after I left the Impact LGAT, I was asked to find a therapist by my family (they begged me really). In the first session, no sooner had she asked me to close my eyes and meditate, I started to hyper-ventilate. She learned pretty quickly what the extent of the damage was. I'm fortunate she is brilliant, I've done about a 165 (still working on the 180) turnaround since seeing her. I feel ya
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I read in Maurice's thread Landmark Forum revisited (inspired by me :-) ) that one of the things that makes it hard for people to get out of Landmark's clutches is that you are taught during the Forum to "hate" your old self. That is very much to the point. How do you relate to your old self when you know it is full of sh-t? It becomes a big dilemma even if you know what you learned during the forum is bull - they have indoctrinated you to believe that your old self is nothing but a machine running its winning formula/racket.
So when leaving Landmark you have an identity that is split in two; your pre self and your landmark self. You're going to have to sort through this dilemma to get back your sense of an integrated self.
LOL, so would I. I have actually begun my studies into getting a doctorate as a mental health professional. I want to shake the industry up, as it were, and focus on melding logic and philosophical theory with behavioral science. The book "The Idea of a Social Science and its Relation to Philosophy" by Peter Winch has changed the way I look at all of it. Hell, therapists (particularly the ones at the masters degree level) could use a brush up on logic and philosophy.The combination of the small influence of logic in the educaion of the majority of therapists creates the same vaccuum of logic in their practice, and this is is why I think patients who really want to, don't get better. If they [i:032986869e]all[/i:032986869e] did it, they could pass it on to their patients to some degree and the industry would change for the better, and more people would get better. This summary is of course a gross simplification of the problem, but it is my strong opinion.Quote
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That's great that you found a therapist who is actually [i:032986869e]helpful[/i:032986869e]. I'm about to quit looking for one such as yours, who's actually intelligent. The two I've dealt with (one of whom was in est!) seem clueless about psychological manipulation and the things I talk about. Oh yes, they nod their heads and seem to understand, but in the end, I don't feel I got anywhere. On the contrary, when they dispense "advice" found in The Secret I want to run screaming out of the room.
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MartinH
I just want to give another example of the deeply rooted teachings of Landmark ... one of my Landmark friends told me yesterday that a forum leader tought them "Your own barriers keep you from getting what you want in your life" ...
Mind-blowing isn't it? ... :shock: :lol: what a deeeeeeeeeep insight
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exImpactLOL, so would I. I have actually begun my studies into getting a doctorate as a mental health professional. I want to shake the industry up, as it were, and focus on melding logic and philosophical theory with behavioral science. The book "The Idea of a Social Science and its Relation to Philosophy" by Peter Winch has changed the way I look at all of it. Hell, therapists (particularly the ones at the masters degree level) could use a brush up on logic and philosophy.The combination of the small influence of logic in the educaion of the majority of therapists creates the same vaccuum of logic in their practice, and this is is why I think patients who really want to, don't get better. If they [i:686c4d0d69]all[/i:686c4d0d69] did it, they could pass it on to their patients to some degree and the industry would change for the better, and more people would get better. This summary is of course a gross simplification of the problem, but it is my strong opinion.Quote
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That's great that you found a therapist who is actually [i:686c4d0d69]helpful[/i:686c4d0d69]. I'm about to quit looking for one such as yours, who's actually intelligent. The two I've dealt with (one of whom was in est!) seem clueless about psychological manipulation and the things I talk about. Oh yes, they nod their heads and seem to understand, but in the end, I don't feel I got anywhere. On the contrary, when they dispense "advice" found in The Secret I want to run screaming out of the room.
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I just want to give another example of the deeply rooted teachings of Landmark ... one of my Landmark friends told me yesterday that a forum leader tought them "Your own barriers keep you from getting what you want in your life" ...
Mind-blowing isn't it? ... :shock: :lol: what a deeeeeeeeeep insight
LOLOLOL Martin!!!!