Thank You feldspar!

My husbands mom and step-mom seem to think this is a wonderful group so far. My concerns mean nothing to them other than they feel I am just being [u:a9962413d9]mental[/u:a9962413d9] with being worried and do not understand my issue with "secrets" in my marriage,... Go figure!!

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CB, I do not think Ginah was implying your posts were out of line. That was not my take on her post. I for one do not believe you are out of line.l I disagree with you, but your opinion and feelings are valid, just like I feel my opinions and feelings are valid.

Thank you, I appreciate that.
My views were not very well tolerated on "other" forums.

MKP may very well be about money. I have my own suspicions in that regard also. However, my suspicions are relatively normal (for me) - and I can't tell you that MKP IS about money until I SEE (factually) that said funds are going into the pockets of MEN.

I've seen where executive staff is compensated. The compensation levels (to me) are not very signfiicant. If you're going to claim that MKP is about money, show me that the founder gets a cut of very new initiate dollar... Or show me a man on staff that's paid over $100k AND he's in a position to direct those funds into his own pocket... Or show me that a man is living through the corporation - that MKP owns his house, his Porsches, and pays his living expenses daily. No one has shown me evidence of this to date, although I've heard rumors.


In regard to the way a non-profit corporation works:
If you're on the board of a non-profit, your #1 duty is fiduciary duty to the corporation. This is true if you're running an HOA or if you're running an animal shelter. Without funds, whatever you're trying to accomplish with that organization will not get done.

As a board member in a non-profit, I was a voluteer. Some board members get paid, as they should if it takes a large portion of their time. I've solicited for volunteers. I've been solicited by non-profits outside of MKP for my time and for my money. There is an animal rescue that "uses" me regularly! As a board member, I did not solicit for donations (we had a source of income you couldn't opt-out of). If we did not have a solid income base, I'd do what other non-profits do: I'd identify the most likely candidates in regard to producing donations and solicit from those people. Solicitations take time and often cost money, so narrow down your list to make the solicitations effective.

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MKP may very well be about money. I have my own suspicions in that regard also. However, my suspicions are relatively normal (for me) - and I can't tell you that MKP IS about money until I SEE (factually) that said funds are going into the pockets of MEN.

I don't know this is what is happening, I feel that their is a group at the top that is "about the money", what I have [b:4b6014e877]seen[/b:4b6014e877] "makes me nervous". AND what I feel to be the "secrecy" of this group makes that perception of them more likely from the public. Also, follow this link, it will tell you that others have worries about this group as well, not just some "people" on a forum.

[www.csj.org]

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I've seen where executive staff is compensated. The compensation levels (to me) are not very signfiicant. If you're going to claim that MKP is about money, show me that the founder gets a cut of very new initiate dollar... Or show me a man on staff that's paid over $100k AND he's in a position to direct those funds into his own pocket... Or show me that a man is living through the corporation - that MKP owns his house, his Porsches, and pays his living expenses daily. No one has shown me evidence of this to date, although I've heard rumors.

I have not found public records in this regard. IF they do this, do you think that it would be easy to find? You seem pretty savvy about some of this stuff. Can you see what you can find?

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In regard to the way a non-profit corporation works:
If you're on the board of a non-profit, your #1 duty is fiduciary duty to the corporation. This is true if you're running an HOA or if you're running an animal shelter. Without funds, whatever you're trying to accomplish with that organization will not get done.
As a board member in a non-profit, I was a voluteer. Some board members get paid, as they should if it takes a large portion of their time. I've solicited for volunteers. I've been solicited by non-profits outside of MKP for my time and for my money. There is an animal rescue that "uses" me regularly! As a board member, I did not solicit for donations (we had a source of income you couldn't opt-out of). If we did not have a solid income base, I'd do what other non-profits do: I'd identify the most likely candidates in regard to producing donations and solicit from those people. Solicitations take time and often cost money, so narrow down your list to make the solicitations effective.

I have also been on the board of a non-profit, and I can tell you we [u:4b6014e877][b:4b6014e877]NEVER[/b:4b6014e877][/u:4b6014e877] researched and delved into people's privacy like that.

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I don't know this is what is happening, I feel that their is a group at the top that is "about the money", what I have [b:b966882766]seen[/b:b966882766] "makes me nervous". AND what I feel to be the "secrecy" of this group makes that perception of them more likely from the public. Also, follow this link, it will tell you that others have worries about this group as well, not just some "people" on a forum.

[www.csj.org]

I think with any LGAT group there are going to be worries. Those worries are legitimate in my opinion. LGAT seems to help some.
LGAT seems to hurt others.
I don't know what the ratios are.

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I have not found public records in this regard. IF they do this, do you think that it would be easy to find? You seem pretty savvy about some of this stuff. Can you see what you can find?

I've seen previous tax returns - or what was listed as a previous tax return, forms filled out by non-profits regarding income/expenses to the IRS. I do not know them to be authentic, as I didn't pull them myself. What was on that particular form detailed compensation for MKP members. I can't tell you how to get it, as I don't know. Most government documents are available via the freedom of information act. Contact your local state tax office and ask how you get tax information on non-profits. I won't repost them due to liability concerns on my end.

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I have also been on the board of a non-profit, and I can tell you we [u:b966882766][b:b966882766]NEVER[/b:b966882766][/u:b966882766] researched and delved into people's privacy like that.

Privacy? Privacy is relative. Tell me your address and I'll tell you what your house is worth. Based on that I can make some relative guesses about your household income. If pulling public tax records is an invasion of privacy, I'm afraid that I'm very guilty.. Especially when searching for a home. If they're pulling SS#s and running credit checks, they're out of line - otherwise they're using public information and public resources, the same way most groups do solicitations.

To be fair, I've never been involved with a non-profit that has an a 6-digit income level. If I had and our income came from donations and solicitations, I'm saying that I might engage in some activities that allowed me to target my donor base more effectively.

I personally have a big problem with MKP pulling personal property records to determine who has the most money, so they know how much to hit them up for donations. I know for a fact this is done. Yes, these are public records, yes, I have searched these same records for info on houses for sale, or to locate the owner of a certain property.

If MKP wants to do this, the members should be made aware of such practices. I donate to my church. If I thought my church was doing this to raise money, I would leave my church. I consider this underhanded. This is not people acting with integrity. To me, integrity is acting upfront and with complete honesty.

These organizations made a lot of money on their own. To put pressure on more donations is laughable. But if they want to do so, fine, just do not try to look into personal records to find out how much money someone might be able to donate by the dollar value of their home or real estate property.

Quite a way back in this thread you posted some of the music they play at the weekend. You said there were more, do you have them available to post? Thanks!

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Quite a way back in this thread you posted some of the music they play at the weekend. You said there were more, do you have them available to post? Thanks!

I am not Ivy but this is what I have, they might use different types these day's.

holographic music
Deep Breakfast, Track Two
Deep Breakfast, "Track Three
Deep Breakfast, Track Two
Deep Breakfast, Track Four
drums
Option: Use recorded music. Work with Music Coordinator. Some centers use a pre-prepared tape containing "Dry Bones, "La Bamba", and "Ghostbusters". For a total of 5 or 6 minutes. These dances can be done in lines as above, circles, pairs or alone. Leader and staff serve as models dancing along with initiates. At end of the songs have initiates give themselves a hand, a "hip hip" or a silent applause.
Side two of Miracles
soft music
"Celebrate" by Kool and the Gang, "Johnny B. Goode" or some other hard pounding rock and roll 2 to 5 minutes of good old rock and roll like "Jonny B. Good" or "Good Lov'n". (5 minutes of hard rock'n is usually enough!)
Suggested Music:
"Miracles" (disc)
"Deep Breakfast" (disc)
"Holographic Music" (tape)
"The Living Years" (disc)
Indian Flute Music

MUSIC
1. MUSIC FOR GUTS PROCESSES AND CELEBRATION(S)
• BOLDED TYPE INDICATES FREQUENT USE ON NWTA WEEKEND’S
CATEGORY (Process) ARTIST TITLE
Anger Fooling Yourself
(The Angry Young Man) Styx
Birth Canal Cat Stevens Morning Has Broken
Birth Canal Elton John The Greatest Discovery
Birth Canal John Lennon Beautiful Boy
Celebration Beatles With A Little Help From My Friends
Celebration Black Box Strike It Up!
Celebration C+C Music Factory Gonna Make You Sweat (Everybody Dance Now)
Celebration Cream I Feel Free
Celebration Doors Break On Through
Celebration Joe Cocker With A Little Help From My Friends
Celebration Kool And The Gang (The Patrick Cowley Menergy Megamix) Celebrate - Menergy
Celebration Marky Mark And The Funky Bunch Good Vibrations
Celebration Michael Mc Donald Sweet Freedom
Celebration Prince (Formerly Known As) Baby I’m A Star
Celebration Rozalla Everybody’s Free
Celebration Soundtrack -
Forest Gump - Aretha Franklin Respect
(Continued ...)
CATEGORY (Process) ARTIST TITLE
Celebration Soundtrack -
Forest Gump - Three Dog Night Joy To The World
Celebration Technotronic Get Up And Move Your Body
Celebration Three Dog Night Celebrate - Celebrate
Celebration - Reflective Enigma Return To Innocence
Celebration - Reflective Soundtrack -
Forest Gump - The Youngbloods Let’s Get Together

Celebration - Reflective Soundtrack -
The Body Guard -Whitney Houston I Will Always Love You
Celebration - Reflective Soundtrack -
The Lion King - Elton John Can You Feel The Love Tonight
Celebration - Reflective Soundtrack -
The Lion King - Elton John Circle Of Life
Celebration - Slow Chris Spheeris Where The Angels Fly
Celebration - Slow Soundtrack - The Power Of One The Power Of One
Cradle Donna Summer There Will Always Be A You
Cradle Joe Cocker and Jennifer Warrens Love Lift Us Up Where We Belong
Cradle Requiem For The Americas Far Far Cry
Cradle Simon And Garfunkel Bridge Over Troubled Water
Cradle - Anne Murray A Love Song
Cradle - The Hollies He Ain’t Heavy He’s My Brother
Cradle - Flying Bette Midler Wind Beneath My Wings
Cradle - Instrumental Enya Book Of Days
Cradle - Instrumental Enya Storms In Africa
Cradle - Instrumental Fresh Aire (VII) 7 Stars Of The Big Dipper
Cradle - Instrumental Mars Lazar One Day
Cradle - Instrumental Patrick O’hearn Espana
(Continued ...)
CATEGORY (Process) ARTIST TITLE
Cradle - Instrumental Soundtrack -
Chariots Of Fire - Vangelis Theme
Cradle - Instrumental Soundtrack -
Glory (Closing Credits) Closing Credits
Cradle - Instrumental Soundtrack -
Missing - Vangelis Climb
Cradle - Instrumental Soundtrack -
Missing - Vangelis Main Theme
Cradle - Instrumental Soundtrack -
Vangelis Themes CD First Approach
Cradle - Instrumental Yanni Dare To Dream - Track #6
Cradle - Instrumental Yanni Reflections Of Passion - Track #11
Cradle - Instrumental Yanni To The One Who Knows
Father - New Baby Boy Anne Murray Danny’s Song
Father / Son Crosby, Stills, Nash And Young Teach Your Children
Father / Son Soundtrack - Rhythm Of The Pride Lands (The Lion King) He Lives In You
Father / Son Relationship Harry Chapin Cat’s In The Cradle
Father / Son Relationship Mike And The Mechanics The Living Years
Grieving Seal Prayer For The Dying
Grieving - Acceptance Of Death Linda Ronstadt Good-Bye My Friend
Grieving - Acceptance Of Death Mariah Carey And Boyz II Men One Sweet Day
Grieving - Acceptance Of Death Soundtrack -
Boys On The Side - Melissa Etheridge I Take You With Me
Grieving - Acceptance Of Death Soundtrack -
Casper - Jordon Hill Remember Me This Way
Grieving - Aids Streets Of Philadelphia Bruce Springsteen
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CATEGORY (Process) ARTIST TITLE
Grieving - Burial Judy Collins Amazing Grace
Grieving - Death Boyz To Men It’s So Hard To Say Good-Bye To Yesterday
Grieving - Death Michael Jackson Goon Too Soon
Grieving - Death Seal Kiss From A Rose
Grieving - Death Of A Child The Shadow Mary Black
Grieving - Death Of Child Eric Clapton Tears In Heaven
Grieving - Father / Son (Son Dies) Elton John The Last Song
Grieving - Loss Of Loved One Breathe Hands To Heaven
Grieving - Loss Of Loved One Soundtrack: St. Elmo’s Fire For Just A Moment
Grieving - Loss Of Relationship (Dysfunctional) Bon Jovi I’ll Be There For You
Grieving - Loss Or Death Bette Midler The Rose
Grieving - Relationship Pain Soundtrack -
Boys On The Side - Annie Lennox Why?
Mirror Work Billy Joel An Innocent Man
Mirror Work Michael Jackson Man In The Mirror
Mirror Work - Ideal Figure Joe Cocker You Are So Beautiful
Mirror Work - Ideal Figure Mariah Carey Hero
Religious Enigma Principles Of Lust; Mea Culpa
Religious Michael Mc Donald Yah Mo B There
Religious Mister Mister Kyrie
Union / Partnership Chris Spheeris Walk With Me
War - Reflective Soundtrack -
Forest Gump - Buffalo Springfield For What It’s Worth
War - Reflective Soundtrack - Forest Gump - Joan Baez Blowin’ In The Wind


2. SELECTED SOUNDTRACKS AND MUSIC ON CD
COMMENTS ARTIST TITLE
Background Cirque du Soleil Nouvelle Experience
Background Narada Collection Series Various CD’s
Background Soundtrack Apollo 13
Background Soundtrack Braveheart
Background Soundtrack Dances With Wolves
Background Soundtrack Legends Of The Fall
Background Soundtrack The Mission
Background - Cradle Narada Collection Series A Childhood Remembered
Classical Soundtrack Fantasia
Getting into base feelings Soundtrack Passion
Getting into base feelings Steve Roach Seduction Of The Minotaur
Meditation - Visualization Anugama Shamanic Dream
Meditation - Visualization Anugama Tantra
Meditation - Visualization Gilead Limor You Are The Universe
Meditation - Visualization Karunesh Colours Of Light
Meditation - Visualization Kevin Brehaney The Way Home
Ritual David and Steve Gordon Sacred Earth Drums
Ritual Patrick O’Hearn Downhill Racer
Ritual Requiem For The Americas Du He Kah (The Healer)
Ritual The Gyoto Monks Freedom Chants
Ritual Thunderdrums Thunderdrums
Ritual - Drumming Ed Gross Shamanic Journey Drumming
Ritual - Tribal Dance Ancient Brotherhood Where The Earth Touches The Stars
Ritual - Tribal Dance Professor Trance & The Energizers Shaman’s Breath




GUTS SUMMARY
STAGES DESCRIPTION
STEPS TOOLS PROCESSES ATTITUDE WORDS
INSIGHT • Initiate made aware of current behavior/needs/feelings
• Initiate sees how current behavior/ needs/feelings are linked to previous trauma and the feelings associated with that trauma • Accountability/what's at risk
• Affirmation (need)
• Mock up feeling/bodily (metaphor) sensation/ memory/person
• Follow body/exaggerate motion
• Regression • Create metaphor
• Blanket
• Trust fall • Confrontive
• Analytical
• Supportive
• Directive • State affirmation
• Who didn't love you?
• Tell me about that
• How did that make you feel?
• When first time felt this way?
RELEASE • Initiate relives trauma
• Experiences feeling
• Initiate releases emotions around trauma • Support/safety/pace!

• Guidance/anger props • Allow expression of emotions • Supportive • Let it out, it's safe now
• You're just a little boy and it hurts
• Make a sound/from the gut
(Continued ...)
GUTS SUMMARY
STAGES DESCRIPTION
STEPS TOOLS PROCESSES ATTITUDE WORDS
CLEARING • Initiate is rescued (rescues self) from trauma and "kills" perpetrator • Fill needs
• Ideal figure
• Recreate incident with positive outcome
• Return to adult
• Confront perpetrator
• If initiate is perpetrator do atonement • Gauntlet
• "Back from dead" (grief)
• Birth canal
• Shadow reversal
• Split
- Good/bad father
- Parts of initiate
• Tennis racquet • Supportive
• Directive • What do you need?
• What would that person be like?
• Pick an ideal dad
• What now?
• What would that look like?
• How would you know "he" was dead?
• Here's a racquet...etc."
FILL HOLE • Initiate bonds with rescuer (ideal dad) or inner child
• Fill "hole"! • Ideal figure holds initiate
• Initiate holds child
• Anchor bliss
• - Color
• - Internalize child/ parent
• - Music/body movement • Mirror



• New affirmation • Supportive
• Directive • What do you need to hear from your father?
• Breathe love in - what color is it? Where is it going?
• See dad (child) getting smaller, place in body, where is that, touch it and feel the love (joy)
• Bring to current age


SUGGESTIONS
1. PACE RESISTANCE
• (AGREE WITH LACK OF FEELING, ENCOURAGE RESISTANCE, BE STUCK WITH INITIATE)
2. MOCK-UP BODILY SENSATIONS/FEELINGS (METAPHOR)
• (SMOTHERED, ON MY BACK, ANCHOR, DEAD)
3. EXAGGERATE BODY MOTIONS
• (HEAD BOWED FOLLOW HEAD DOWN TO GROUND)
4. SPLIT OFF GOOD AND BAD PARENT IF RESISTANCE
• FIRST: AWARD CEREMONY FOR GOOD FATHER
• SECOND: KILL BAD FATHER
5. LET BODY TALK
• FIRST: ACKNOWLEDGE INITIATES "FORGIVENESS"
• SECOND: FOLLOW FIST AND KILL HIM
6. REGRESSION
• SEE DETAILS
 WHERE ARE YOU
 WHAT WEARING
 HOW OLD ARE YOU
 WHAT'S HAPPENING
• TURN CLOCK FORWARD/BACKWARD
 WHAT'S HAPPENING
 HOW DOES THAT FEEL
 WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO NOW
 WHAT/WHO TO YOU NEED
• TALK IN PRESENT TENSE
• DO NOT ASK WHY OR ABOUT MEANING
• DO ACTIVE LISTENING (REPEAT INITIATE STATEMENTS)

GUTS AND I - GROUP
• MANY DISADVANTAGES OF USING GUTS IN I - GROUP
• NO PROPS
• HARD TO TEACH / TOO COMPLEX / MANY CHOICES
• POOR CONTAINER
 SAFETY
 NEIGHBORS
• POOR SKILLS
 PHYSICAL SAFETIES

• SOLUTION: CREATE AND TEACH LINEAR GUTS (ONE PATH THROUGH 4 STAGES)

I - GROUP: MISSION WEEKEND
1. ISSUE / WANT
2. VOICE DIALOGUE
• ISOLATE AND ACCESS SUB-PERSONALITY
3. REFRAME / TRANSFORM SUB-PERSONALITY
• RE-SCRIPT / RE-PROGRAM
• REGRESSION IS OPTIONAL DEPENDING ON LEVEL OF RESISTANCE
4. PROCESS EXTERNAL ENTITIES (ADVANCED)
• SEND AWAY NON-EMOTIONALLY
5. FILL HOLE


I - GROUP: JUDGMENT PROCESS
1. PAST EVENT
2. REACTION
3. IDENTIFY JUDGMENT / KEY WORD
• SHOW HOW JUDGMENT TRIGGERED FEELING / BEHAVIOR
4. FEELING
5. IDENTIFY SOURCE OF JUDGMENT
• WHO? / WHEN?
6. ESTABLISH ERROR IN JUDGMENT
• SHOW ERRORS EFFECT ON CURRENT JUDGMENTS AND BEHAVIOR
7. CHANGE PAST AND PRESENT JUDGMENT
• CHANGE FUTURE REACTIONS

I - GROUP INSIDE / OUTSIDE ISSUES
1. INSIDE / OUTSIDE ISSUE
2. EVENT
3. FEELING
4. REGRESSION
5. DESCRIBE EVENT
6. INSIGHT: “THIS IS ABOUT ME”
7. OWN ISSUE / PROJECTION

Have you shown your H's mom & step-mom the suggested I-group activity list? Maybe then they'll see your point?

Just writing to say hello. What is going on with everyone?