If this information as to the misuse of funds and deliberate fraud is accurate then the media needs to be called ASAP. I believe that The Everett Hearal was Mike's favorite so them first!

[bThank you Rick Lewis for standing up for the truth and resigning. There is hope for a new future for you and your wife. ][/b]

So just what did Rick Lewis stand up and say? No, we shouldn't bless Mike and Cindy with get out of town money at the expense of the congregation. Or we the elders screwed up bigtime, but hey none of you would have acted differently. WRONG!

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[bThank you Rick Lewis for standing up for the truth and resigning. There is hope for a new future for you and your wife. ][/b]

So just what did Rick Lewis stand up and say? No, we shouldn't bless Mike and Cindy with get out of town money at the expense of the congregation. Or we the elders screwed up bigtime, but hey none of you would have acted differently. WRONG!

D of D

YOU know, i'm in a pissy mood today. so i'm gonna end my day by fucken blasting M&C. I hate what they did to us. I hate what they did to jackie singer. i hate what they did to hundreds of people!

As to TLT, I don't know if i know you. and if i do. sorry. but WTF????? you were there for the shortest of time. you don't know our hearts! We were discipled to do what was ask ~ biblical mostly. I don't regret ever for trying to be like Jesus and do whatever to do that made people think of him as a great humble man. As for me, I hate it. I HATE when people try to add words or feelings of what we went through when REALLLY YOU HAVE NO NO NO F'EN IDEA! and YOU ALSO WEREN'T THERE TO PICK UP THE PIECES AFTER ALL THE HURT AND PAIN!

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... Quite frankly, in all honesty, I attended there a very short time and it took me a few weeks to realize that the church were in the midst of idol worship. M&C were not the only ones who were worshiped or prospered personally and financially from this idol worship. The elders and staff were not the only ones worshiped or involved in worshipping idols. The congregation was involved in idolatry. Everyone needs to repent, not just the leaders. If you gained financially, personally, professionally or even egotistically from being worshiped at TPC, you were receptive to idolatry. ... .

I was at TP for almost ten years, and I would agree with this statement, 100%. At some point, we all have to take responsibility for our own behaviors concerning this issue, and repent. However, I kind of think that you're preaching to the choir on this one. I suppose that I can only speak for myself, but I think it would be accurrate to say that many of the posters here, have gone through a process of confession and repentence, and I am sure some still are in that process. I would say it's likely that there are some who have not as well, only God truly knows.

M&C were not the only ones who were worshiped or prospered personally and financially from this idol worship. The elders and staff were not the only ones worshiped or involved in worshipping idols. The congregation was involved in idolatry. Everyone needs to repent, not just the leaders. If you gained financially, personally, professionally or even egotistically from being worshiped at TPC, you were receptive to idolatry.


my question is (and maybe this will take absolute self honesty, which amungst a group of people who have mastered the are of selfjustification, and rationalization.) is!!!! did you leave because tp was into idolatry, or was it because you werent the idol ? was it because others were selfseeking ambitious people . or you werent haveing your ambitions met these are tough questions we have to ask ourselves. especially when we keep running into the same problems whereever we go.

nooneofanyimportence is right. Everyone needs to repent and ask for an extra portion of grace.

However, how can Pastor Jeff say that things will be different when an elder and a staff pastor are asked to resign because they are not showing the face or following the party line that TPC wanted them to present? Quite frankly wasn't Jackie asked to leave a meeting and then subsequently left TPC because she disagreed with Mike over the direction he wanted to take the group of churches that make up TPC in front of staff, elders, and deacons? So really nothing is different other than who is officially in charge -- Jeff Barnes. Sell the property, close the doors, and move on. There is nothing salvagable left.

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M&C were not the only ones who were worshiped or prospered personally and financially from this idol worship. The elders and staff were not the only ones worshiped or involved in worshipping idols. The congregation was involved in idolatry. Everyone needs to repent, not just the leaders. If you gained financially, personally, professionally or even egotistically from being worshiped at TPC, you were receptive to idolatry.


my question is (and maybe this will take absolute self honesty, which amungst a group of people who have mastered the are of selfjustification, and rationalization.) is!!!! did you leave because tp was into idolatry, or was it because you werent the idol ? was it because others were selfseeking ambitious people . or you werent haveing your ambitions met these are tough questions we have to ask ourselves. especially when we keep running into the same problems whereever we go.

If I am being honest, our leaving TP was because of a few different factors: 1) the church life there was a frenzy. I kept wondering how these people could maintain an intact and healthy nuclear family while they were fluttering about to 5 or 6 church activities EVERY week! I tried to do this, but geez, I held a full time job and had to ask myself why i was doing it? The answer was so that I would be loved and valued. Then I realized I wasn't willing to have to work for love or recognition. 2) I wanted to be part of the worship ministry and was enraptured with how it was at first and was filled with love at times, but then I saw the hierarchy and that you had to fit a certain mold and talk a certain way. Then I saw people who could talk the talk, but not walk the walk be put on worship teams when they were doing things that were against the TP rules, so I saw inconsistency and inequity and it quite frankly discouraged me. I walked the walk and they could not see me in the Spirit and I was discouraged. You may want to call that "ambitious" or "self-seeking" but you see, I didn't want to be a "idol" I didn't want to be a "star" I wanted to be a "part of" a glorious effort to bring praise to God. I knew it would never be at TP because the feelers and the sensors of those in "authority" were askew" I went into a deep sorrow and yes, probably for myself, but I know that God loves me, and I know he hurt for me too because my heart and my motives were not maliscious nor were they compeltely self centered. I remember telling friends the 3rd reason: People were worshipping the leaders. Do you not think I wanted to fall into that? Oh yes, I was very tempted. I can kiss ass probably better than anyone on this forum. But, well, God has changed me and I cannot be false anymore. God has delivered into my soul the inability to be so false. It makes me absolutely sick if I begin to do that. I could not contend. So, if you want to call that "ambitious" fine. I know it is not the truth though. Do we keep finding the same scenerio in other churches? Yes. Is that my fault? No. It is as it was in heaven before the fall. People wanting to steal from God what is His. It happens in churches. It happens in every church.

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[bThank you Rick Lewis for standing up for the truth and resigning. There is hope for a new future for you and your wife. ][/b]

So just what did Rick Lewis stand up and say? No, we shouldn't bless Mike and Cindy with get out of town money at the expense of the congregation. Or we the elders screwed up bigtime, but hey none of you would have acted differently. WRONG!

D of D

YOU know, i'm in a pissy mood today. so i'm gonna end my day by fucken blasting M&C. I hate what they did to us. I hate what they did to jackie singer. i hate what they did to hundreds of people!

As to TLT, I don't know if i know you. and if i do. sorry. but WTF????? you were there for the shortest of time. you don't know our hearts! We were discipled to do what was ask ~ biblical mostly. I don't regret ever for trying to be like Jesus and do whatever to do that made people think of him as a great humble man. As for me, I hate it. I HATE when people try to add words or feelings of what we went through when REALLLY YOU HAVE NO NO NO F'EN IDEA! and YOU ALSO WEREN'T THERE TO PICK UP THE PIECES AFTER ALL THE HURT AND PAIN!

Thank you Miki for your very eloquent rant. We attended TP off and on for over oh, about 8 years, but attended consistently for 11 months. I never got close enough to get disciplined, and well, I would not have put up with it because that is just who I am, just as those who did are just who they are which doesn't make us good or bad..it just is. We actually attended a small group with you, and well, that is all I will say. And I do know what you went through in a measure, because I went through a portion myself and much more recent than you did. You left what 5 years ago and you are still struggling with this and I am sorry that you are. As I stated in an earlier post, we left for a few different reasons. And, for your really abusive rant (yes it appears you can be abusive as well), it is very incongruent with how you try to appear on this forum. We have dear friends who attended TP for years, and have listened to their hearts hurt, and friends who were abused there who we have supported and loved and in a very real sense fought for through the spirit as they faced false allegations and accusations. You do not have to be in an abusive atmosphere for years to experience hurt. In some sense, we felt what our friends felt which is called vicarious traumatization. Experiencing trauma through another. Discounting each other and verbally attacking each other on this forum is very hurtful and you have really discounted my experience. I wish I could delete each one of my posts. I believe this forum has now become a hindrance and in some sense a witch hunt. Let's hang them all up high so the world will see how terrible they are. Let's make them hurt because they hurt me. That is the job of Satan, not Gods' army. Others have said that they did repent, and I am happy for them and for me. But, ask yourself, were you/we held to public ridicule? Would that have made your repentence any better? Is that what God requires? The problem has been exposed. Let God handle it. Going to the newspaper only makes God's people look even worse than we already do. But that is each individuals choice. For me, I'm done here. Thanks Miki. I hope you achieve some healing in your life. I have tried to post honestly on this forum and not be something I am not. At times I have said things that aren't perhaps the complete truth so others cannot discover who I am. It is one of the rules of the forum. OK, well, see ya all around. Bye now. Feel free to now abuse me at my exit.

Sorry everyone for my rant! Not very godly i must say! i was in a really bad place...... normally I don't let what has happened upset me. M&C have left, even if they hadnt... well, whatevers. Tell the Truth, I'm sorry. I personally felt attacked. I don't know why, just did.

I also want you to know that our exit from tp was because of M&C and their ethics, etc. I by no means act perfect. Oh MY goodness! I screw up so much! Just look at my posts. So, sorry everyone! hehe, i'm a little shit. i know!

Ok so I'm a little confused. It seems that some info. regarding TPC is inaccurate. I think if we have questions it should be directed to J&K or elders in person. AND please, I'm not writing this for people to jump me ok? Thanks.