Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: movingon ()
Date: August 29, 2010 05:17AM

2010 - 2011 TPCWOC Budget meeting after church tomorrow. Any one want to go and ask the hard questions? Where is the Bildg Fund and all the money gone? Was Building fund money used without the donors permission to fund a loan to cover severance packages? Why are Elders still Elders after their misappropriation of Bidg funds and lies told and cover ups etc... God is doing for us all what we were unable to. Everything hidden is coming to light, however, I am sure there is a deep deep hole that much has been thrown into. But God sees and knows where that hole is.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: buddy ()
Date: August 29, 2010 05:54AM

I want my money back that we gave to the building fund! Where is the money? Do you remember when false Apostle Mike said in front of the church said that they where having trouble meeting payroll and that he figured out how to cover it. Do you remember when Mike said he gave thousands of dollars to help Dave Lusters Church, Skagit Valley Turningpoint Church. Do you remember when Mike decided to give the 4 SOMA grads $1,000 dollars a piece to go out and spend. Do you remember all the money Mike spent on Summer jubilee in the glory days. Do you remember how Mike bragged on how they where taking in a million a year. How about all the free giveaway prizes at TPCWOC to attract more people. How about all the money for the conferences that Mike and the staff would attend. Did Mike spend his own money to fly to the Philllipeans? Was Mikes house's and personal property paid out of the general church fund or was it borrowed against the building fund? How about all the money from the SOMA fake bible college? How about the conferences Mike put on and charged the flock to attend? How much did Mike funnel into his pocket? False Apostle Mike and company I believe felt that the milk and honey was never going to run out so they continued to to spend money thinking that the prosperity gospel was going to save them. Then when the money wasn't showing up they started to blame the evil forum people. And all we where doing was trying to get the truth out there. Texas is a big state to hide in!

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Timetospeak ()
Date: August 29, 2010 08:38PM

Just so you know - slander won't fly in this case because it has gone back and forth from both sides. There is also freedom of speach to counter any slander. The real opportunity is financial.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Timetospeak ()
Date: August 29, 2010 08:40PM

Jackie may be the exception on the slander.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Date: August 30, 2010 04:17AM

While Mike and Cindy still own property here, after they have lived in Texas for 90 days and established residency they could be sued there or in federal court system if the amount in dispute meets the federal guidelines. They could be sued here, where they have done business. Has anyone checked the state web site to see if Mike is still listed as the agent for the TPC entities and have the bylaws been changed to remove his influence? Is there are two year statute of limitation on fraud? I would love my money back, my money was given for a specific purpose not to provide a fund for whatever Mike could talk the elders into letting him use it for.

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Now that M&C have ran off, no one can really sue them right? Tony had so many people sue him, i'm just wondering if the same can happen to M&C...

It may not matter where Mike and Cyndi currently live.
Because Mike and Cyndi own property in WA state and because they conduct business in WA state (articles of incorporation were filed with the state for all of Mike and Cyndi's businesses) the state still has jurisdiction.

If persons believe they have been defrauded by Mike and Cyndi they can bring either a criminal and/or civil suit. There is a statute of limitations that begins from the point of discovery. I believe in Washington it is three years from discovery. Also, any suit against Mike and Cyndi would most likely include TPC and its officers (Elders).

If money was misappropriated by elders and or staff the statute of limitations would not begin until that time the misappropriation was discovered. So if an audit of all accounts related to TPC and PNWBC were to take place 5 years from now and at that time it was discovered that money was embezzled it would be at that point that the statute would start.

It would be interesting what the law is regarding charitable giving and fraud. Could those persons who gave to the building fund several years ago file suit against TPC for misappropriation of those funds? Its a question that a lawyer would have to consider. Here are links to non profit legal questions regarding designated funds being "borrowed" to pay other bills:

[www.nonprofitissues.com]
[www.lifeway.com]
[www.wintersking.com]

For libel, slander, and defamation the limitation is 2 years.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Brokenhearted ()
Date: August 30, 2010 12:59PM

Anyone make it to the business meeting?

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: wherefromhere ()
Date: August 30, 2010 02:25PM

This is a letter that Pastor Jackie just posted on facebook. Things are heating up. Check out facebook and Pastor Jackie's wall.

I want to take this time to repent publicly for walking in and promoting false doctrine at Turning Point Church when I was a Pastor and Elder there. I took part in cover ups and lies when I was on the Elder board. I did not stand up for truth until it was too late. Please forgive me. My position was to love, protect and help the flock. I failed miserably. I am currently working on a truth statement that I hope will expose the truth. I have chosen for the last year to remain silient regarding certain matters. I believe I have errored in not speaking sooner. I was walking in fear and submitting to man and not God.

Gal 1:10 says "Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ."

I want God's approval and I have spent far too long pleasing man. I am a servant of Christ.

In Him & with Love, Jackie Singer

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Saddened ()
Date: August 31, 2010 04:23AM

Hurray for Pastor Jackie! We forgive and support you 110%. We were all fooled by a charlatan who allowed a Jezebel Spirit full access at TPC. We are with you and will stand by you.

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This is a letter that Pastor Jackie just posted on facebook. Things are heating up. Check out facebook and Pastor Jackie's wall.

I want to take this time to repent publicly for walking in and promoting false doctrine at Turning Point Church when I was a Pastor and Elder there. I took part in cover ups and lies when I was on the Elder board. I did not stand up for truth until it was too late. Please forgive me. My position was to love, protect and help the flock. I failed miserably. I am currently working on a truth statement that I hope will expose the truth. I have chosen for the last year to remain silient regarding certain matters. I believe I have errored in not speaking sooner. I was walking in fear and submitting to man and not God.

Gal 1:10 says "Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ."

I want God's approval and I have spent far too long pleasing man. I am a servant of Christ.

In Him & with Love, Jackie Singer

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: Timetospeak ()
Date: August 31, 2010 08:46AM

Here is a chance for TPC to reveal any cover up before it is revealed for them. Bottom line - the truth will prevail.

Much to often we fear men. At some point we decide who we will be.

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Re: Turning Point Church World Outreach Center-Tell Your Story
Posted by: wherefromhere ()
Date: August 31, 2010 01:15PM

next chapter it seems, oh my God what could be next. This makes my heart sad.

Pastor Jackie Note on facebook entitled NOT GUILTY



I have contemplated how I would tell my story, what I wold say and how I would say it. Would anyone really care to hear my side of this nightmare? I have come to the conclusion that there is no right or wrong way to tell it, but to just tell it. Warts and all. The truth, plain and simple. So I ask that you would hang in there as I share 'my story'.



I want to say Thank you to those who have been supportive and also to those who have not. This is an opportunity for me to rise to the standard that Jesus would require of us all. Acutally to share somewhat in the fellowship of His sufferings. Although, I know that I have not endured hardship to the point of shedding blood, (Hebrews 12) I have endured. My family has endured. And I praise the living God for His unfailing love for the Singer's and the Moors.



You all may think I have been strong thru this trial, and that I have handled myself with grace, (well there are those of you who actually saw my weakness) but in reality I have been weakened and frozen in a vortex of pain, sadness, and a complete inability to make a decision. Even to the point that in this past year, there were days that I was completely unable to get out of bed. I have a friend that would come over and just sit with me on the bed, because I could not get off of it. I isolated and would let no one in. I would force myself to go to work and spend hours crying in the bathroom.

So unsure about my future, my families future and even the existence of God. I cried out often, God why, why me? How can I stand up to the rejection, to the scorn and the people who would turn their backs on me when they saw me. How could I stand in the midst of this pain. To be accused and convicted of such a crime, to be accused of slander and atempting to tear down the church I loved and served for 12 years, I thought was more than I could take. To have my closest friends walk away from me.



My daughter had just come home after being gone for almost three years, and to see her so hurt by the church and the 'shunning' of our family. To have the people who she had loved so deeply turn their backs on her, was really almost to much for any mother to bare. To hear that my son was sat down by Jeff Barnes and Cyndi Villamor and given a ultimatum, "TP or your mother". How could they have even had that conversation? I am proud to say that Jeff and Eryn chose me, that they believed me and would stand by me. They were later told they did not have to choose. It was implied though, that if they left, the church might be crippled. one of my greatest disappointments in all this is the manipulation perpetuated towards my son and daughter in-law. I am not saying all this to make anyone feel sorry for me in the least. I am just sharing my journey through this nightmare.



In the first few days of the conviction of me in front of the congregation and subsequent business meeting where the congregation was told to not associate with my family and certain friends of ours. Sid and I prayed, we asked God how could this happen to us. We had done nothing but serve and sacrifice. 'God', we cried, please show us. In the blink of a moment, Sid fell to his knees... and in that moment, I knew as well. 10 years earlier I was an Elder at Turning Point COMMUNITY Church and we threw a family out of the church. We shamed and humiliated this family in front of an entire church without allowing them to be present. We told everyone to shun them. We said 'trust us' we know things you do not. We blindly and stupidly did what was now being done to us. We were now reaping what we had sown. God forgive us. We wept for hours and hours, and still to this day we weep, that we took part in the attempted destruction of a family. Love so absent.



I now understood, that even tho I was innocent of the accusations, I was guilty of inflicting the same pain. Repentance came for us and we still are walking that out. Reaping what we had sown, made it much clearer to us that God had a plan and that we had to rely on Him and Him alone. People could not fix me, only God, a God with all power...



I will finish this story on another note. This makes my heart sad and I need to stop for awhile.

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