I was sent some Interesting posts by Current ToV member and people who have "investigated before" - might explain things for KenW and the Cold Filter people.
Pyramid Scheme:
"Their present sales plan is as follows:
1. A person can become a member by purchasing The Vampire Bible for
$35.00 (hard cover) or $20.00 (soft cover). The Vampire Bible numbers
around 20 pages. Much like the Church of Satan and its supposedly
elite ranks, anyone is free to become a Lifetime Member and carry the
ToV Membership Card so long as their money is green.
2. The member must now pay $100.00 annually for Active Membership.
Active Membership will grant the member the ability to get graded,
purchase The Vampire Predator Bible and carry the title of Vampire
Initiate.
3. The Vampire Predator Bible (book 2 of 5) and the subsequent
Vampire Bibles use to be sold for $25.00 each in the past. It is
possible that figure has risen or fallen by a few dollars. After
purchasing The Vampire Predator Bible the member can have an
application for the degree of Vampire Predator graded for the price
of $25.00.
4. Here or elsewhere in the course of the member's membership he or
she may have purchased the official ToV ring or medallion for $50.00
each. The member may have also purchased several issues of their
monthly newsletter titled Lifeforce which is sold for $10.00 an
issue. Each issue usually numbers between 5 and 8 printed pages. The
paper utilized for Lifeforce is basic 20 lb. computer paper. The
annual journal called Bloodlines is sold for $50.00. Bloodlines
usually numbers 20 - 30 pages.
5. Moving along, the member will be encouraged to achieve the degree
of Vampire Priest/Priestess. To do so he or she must purchase The
Vampire Priesthood Bible. After studying the book the member will
have to pay a $25.00 application fee to enter the Priesthood of Ur
and sign an oath swearing their loyalty to the group.
6. Having achieved the degree of Vampire Priest/Priestess the member
will be encouraged to attain the next degree of Vampire
Sorcerer/Sorceress. To do so he or she must purchase The Vampire
Sorcery Bible. After studying the book the member will have to pay a
$25.00 application fee.
7. If it has been over a year since the member acquired Active
Membership, he or she will have to again pay $100 to sustain that
level of membership.
8. Having achieved the degree of Vampire Sorcerer/Sorceress the
member will be encouraged to attain the next degree of Vampire Adept.
To do so he or she must purchase The Vampire Adept Bible. After
studying the book the member will have to pay a $25.00 application
fee.
The above sales plan was for a member who was involved for over one
year actively. According to the outline above the member will have
given the ToV $400.00 - $585.00 or more over that period. Every time
an additional year of Active Membership is added also add $100.00 to
the sum. Given that the quality of their materials is appallingly
low, the ToV's profit margin must be incredible.
--
Rev. JP VanirSamhain [
www.myspace.com];
Then Cryonics Scam:
"My gripe with the Temple is that they advertise that they are into all this nightside occult stuff and get good people to join. I know some good Satanists who joined like me and were suckered.
Out of the blue you get told you need to purchase an expensive cryonics contract(which you have no interest in)to get to the "Higher Teachings."
Then they pressure you again and again to buy a 30k+ cryonics contract because if you dont then you are not "walking the walk" and not worthy of the "higher teachings."
This is Lesser Magic by Satanists on Satanists!
I quit at that point but others are persuaded to agree to a belief they did not have before(that cryonics is something they want.)
After two years of being part of the group and buying into the undead gods, life force, and being a vampire predator, you start assimilating the group-think even if you don't want to.
Suddenly you start thinking that maybe cryonics is good because the other vampires think so.
This is cult brainwashing.
The CoS has never once attempted to brainwash me or try to force me to accept beliefs I did not hold.
__ The ToV is pulling the old "bait-and-switch" on all who join.__
They have to!
If they were honest and mentioned cryonics on their main site they would get zero new members.
Don't be tricked by the false vampires.
Shame on Magus Gilmore for allowing Lesser Magic to be practiced on Satanists by permitting these con men to advertise on their turf.
TY
J R
Posted by Reynald in London on Sun Dec 12, 2010 at 07:02 AM"
Personal Experience
"in spite of all that follows im still a tov member and want to stay one. i have lots of good friends there and i want to keep them.
not everyone who joins believes the nightside stuff. some of us just want to have fun. and the tov is fun but nemo isnt. nemo is a pretentious nasty guy and hes gonna get a lot of good people in trouble.
the tov under nemo doesnt take its stance against illegal activity as seriously as the cos does. the cos ban and reports criminals even just weed smokers.
ive heard three different reports of drugs that nemo heard about personally but didnt punich. two because they paid to go up to the priesthood and one because they were a high up adept he didnt want to lose.
nemo is also against blood drinking but some members have done it and said so on lifeforce. the posts get deleted but the members stay in. one of them even posted again that he drank blood and hes still there and hes still got his status.
there are also REAL CULT things going on. members are pressured not to leave. there are oaths you have to take and after teaching you a belief in immortality in you they SAY YOULL DIE if you betray them. i bet gabriel can confirm that BIG TIME.
i was personally warned that if i stopped paying my dues theyd throw away my dna archive and make sure my cryonics contract got cancelled. and all the mystic stuff about being harvested but thats all fiction. the dna and cryonics are real. THESE ARE DEATH THREATS to keep members in. these threats come from adepts and order members.
they never come from nemo. at least i never HEARD them come from nemo but he definitely knows about them because i told him. he did NOTHING. im not afraid that will tell him who i am because i know it happened before over and over.
and threats go on. THREATS to lose your friends. to lose your LIFE. i know the cos doesnt do this. the church of satanism ISNT a cult. if you want to leave they say "fine go leave". they dont say youll DIE for it. the cos leaders are jerks sometimes but they never ever make threats. most of the tov is nice and friendly but its leaders are running a CULT. no question.
Posted by a vampire on Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 01:51 AM
i do think its compatible with the cos as a religion because you dont have to believe any of it. its one big ritual chamber where you believe and then stop in the real world.
if it had a leader who was harder on crime and forbids threats and bans oaths about dying it would be perfect. its even worth joining and definately worth reading the vamprie bible if youre into occult magic and satanic magic.
nemo and his order of prometheus want to run it like a cult with intimidation and allowing illegal stuff. im afraid of them and thats why i wont say my name here. they can take my friends and they can take my real scientific immortal life. i know lots of other vampires who feel exactly the same way.
please dont attack members other than nemo and the head honcoes. i dont even say im a tov member on satannet or the lttd forum. its just a neat thing and it is compatible. it just has a really nasty founder whos gonna take the tov and the cos down with him.
Posted by a vampire on Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 01:51 AM"
"Further rummaging on the interwebs reveals an old radio interview with the elusive Nemo:
[
www.sanguinarius.org] - 2003-10-25 - h4 - AB - Nemo - Vampires [1of2].mp3
[
www.sanguinarius.org] - 2003-10-25 - h5 - AB - Nemo - Vampires [2of2].mp3
This vampire cult business just gets weirder and weirder."
More Here - [
imaginativeworlds.com]
I love Arts quote - "Im trying to learn (natruely) as much as I can about Vampirism and im trying not to make too many jokes - But - Its really hard"!
I am going to be posting more about this on cryonicsfactsheet later.
'Scientology has Xenu.
The Temple of the Vampire has Cryonics.'
Should make a nice bumper sticker! grin
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/14/2010 12:15AM by richiekgb.