[REFERENCE: below are excerpts and samples of some of the publics comments]



[www.bostonherald.com]

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The US attorney general should prosecute this company for FRAUD... they prey on the anguished relatives of deceased in to believing in a FAIRY TALE all the way laughing to the bank. STOP THE FRANKENSTEIN MADNESS AND FRAUD!!
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This story is so disgusting. Not only did i want to vomit (I confess I couldn't read the whole story). Ted Williams will never have peace, thanks to his whack job kids. This cryogenic stuff should be outlawed. Who the hell wants to come back to this mess anyway. Time for a prozac.
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Lets not forget the atrocity of the so called cyrogenics lab itself. They are the worst kind of predators scamming the public into thinking they can restore life after death sometime in the future! Anyone who takes a job there or has any ownership interest has no human decency whatsoever!
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If this is true than it is a criminal act. Those who thing you can bring someone back to life in the future......need their heads examined
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sad story.this company needs to be shutdown.
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Shows the nonsense of this alleged science. Like the monkey wrench it is a monkey business! The Williams family were fools to have faith in such silliness. They allowed the initial desacration of their father\'s body.
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The goverment should just go in and close down that company and put ted in a real grave. Ashame on his family for doing this to him.
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I find this cryonics business totally ghoulish.
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Disgusting,will someone do the honorable thing and retrieve his remains and give him an honorable burial.
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I totally agree!! Maybe you and I can come up with a gimmick and makes lots of money making people think we can bring them back to life. (only kidding)
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I was shocked when I heard what the lab did to Ted Williams because I personaly shaked his hand and pitched Ted a couple of softballs on the playground while a patient at the former N.E.Peabody Home For Chrppled Children in Newton Centre in 1948.Ted and Johnny Pesky would visit the kids there during the 1940s.
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Ted's son was a nutjob. I remember the all star game at Fenway when they wheeled ted out to a large ovation, and he wasn't wearing a red sox hat but rather a "hitter.net" hat that his son put on his head at the last second to advertise a business he was starting (which of course went belly up).
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sorry, i dont think #9 wanted to be frozen, his rotten kids forced him...if i had any say i would cremate him and spread his ashes in the miramachi river and wherever he loved to fish in florida...great american and a great guy, a real life john wayne
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You are right. I have first hand experience fishing with Ted on the Mirimichi and fly fishing for striped bass on Martha's Vineyard. Fishing was his pashion and he perfected the art. His remains do belong alongside the river that he fished so well and so often in his younger years. ...To be treated in death literally as a piece of meat is horrible beyond belief.
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The intellectual dishonesty of many in the cryonics area is really beyond the pale.

Some try to make the argument, that cryonics is the same thing as "Bodyworlds" [www.bodyworlds.com] so why is the public upset about cryonics and not Bodyworlds?

Its because the cryonics companies are based on DECEPTION and the public can see that.
Bodyworlds is about people who are dead, and just displaying the human body.

Whereas in cryonics, they use deception, and call dead people "patients" and try to pretend the people are not dead, when they are legally dead.
They DECEIVE people into signing complicated agreements they don't understand, where the advertising says one thing, and the fine print says the opposite.
They try to dupe people into handing over their entire estates to alleged "trusts", which are a scam.
They set up "non-profit" companies, and hire their cronies and friends.
They try to censor freedom of speech, and make threats against whistleblowers.
They take advantage of elderly people in cryonics, and launch lawsuits to try and dig up graves.
On top of that, people like the Venturists have started a cryonics religion, and are using advertising and propaganda techniques on the public, and people can sense that.

At the same time, some cryonics psychos are torturing and killing dogs, for no reason whatsoever, as no scientific papers have been published.

And some cryonics people are so fanatical, it is alleged that some people have been "euthanized" for cryonics.
Cryonics people have openly stated that the best "patient" for cryonics is a 10 year old child who walks up to the "table" healthy, and is then "put under".
That is called murder.
They have crossed over into very dangerous delusions, where they think that killing and freezing a person on the cryonics table is "better". That can and will lead to "euthanizing" human beings.
And worse, many cryonics extremists, literally do not believe in death.

Those are just a few things off the top of the head, a person could list dozens of the outrageous misdeeds of those who are running the cryonics companies.

There is no comparison to Bodyworlds, as Bodyworlds is a simple, straight-up body donation for public education. People know what they are getting, they have donated their body to science. They are not being deceived.



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And "Mark Plus", (his fake Extropian name), is making more dishonest posting at Amazon.com about this book, in the comments section.
[www.amazon.com]

The levels of conscious dishonesty in cryonics is almost unbelievable.
The way the cryonics believers are going after the book FROZEN, is very cultlike. They are attempting to smear the writers, deflecting away from the facts.
Even an honest outsider can see the terrible things going on in cryonics, even without the most extreme claims being made by whistleblowers and insiders.

Their main attack against the writers of the book FROZEN, is that they are doing it for "money". That is truly absurd, as very few books make any money at all. Writers only get a tiny amount of each sale.
So even a child could see its not about the money.

These cryonics companies make more money in ONE CRYONICS DEAL than a book is going to make.
Anyone who is intellectually honest can see this book is about getting the truth out to the public about the terrible abuses in these cryonics companies.

Even the extreme threats made against the writer, are completely consistent with the behavior of the core group of cryonics fanatics, as shown in this thread and elsewhere, with the threats made against other people.

If there are people who really do believe in cryonics research, the first thing they should do is to get rid of the cultlike core group of fanatics, cranks, and crooks that have taken over cryonics.

and on top of all this, Alcor is trying to completely block any and all information about them from coming out, by going after any of their former employees who says anything.

The reality is that any type of organization like Alcor, who try to force all employees to stay completely silent, is very dangerous.
Because if and when things go wrong, they will simply cover them up, and no one would ever know about it.

Thank goodness for brave whistleblowers, who are willing to say what has been going on behind closed doors.

If there were ever going to be a "cryonics" company that was not rife with abuse, it would have to be totally open, and would have to be checked and monitored by totally independent outside auditors.

But notice how the cryonics companies and true believers want to do the exact opposite.
They want everything done in secret, they even want to try and stop coroners from cause of death investigations.
What a terrible nightmare that would be, if they established a "'cryonics community" with elderly people signing over their entire estates to the cryonics companies, with a restraining order against their families, and then when the person "dies", the cryonics company gets a massive insurance payment, without a coroner determining the cause of death, or using a local coroner who they have influence over.
On top of that, the cryonicists believe that people should be "euthanized" on the cryonics table, before they die of natural causes.

All of that is the Venturists stated objective.



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[www.nydailynews.com]

Ex-Mets catcher Mike Piazza says Alcor mistreatment of Ted Williams is 'crazy'

By Christian Red
DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER
Tuesday, October 6th 2009,

Five years after Mike Piazza reached out to Ted Williams' oldest daughter Bobby-Jo Ferrell, offering to help Ferrell and her husband Mark with their legal fight over the remains of the Hall of Fame Red Sox, the former Mets catcher is still stunned by how Williams' remains are being treated.

"It's crazy. Just bizarre," Piazza said Tuesday night, referring to the upcoming release of "Frozen," written by former Alcor COO Larry Johnson. The Daily News first reported on the book's revelations, including the decapitation and abuse of Williams' head. "I just cannot believe the greatest hitter of all time, that his head is in a frozen cryogenic state."

Ferrell was in a contentious battle with Arizona-based Alcor Life Extension Foundation in 2004. The Splendid Splinter's remains were sent to Alcor following his 2002 death. Ferrell's half-sister Claudia and now deceased half-brother John Henry Williams claimed that baseball's last .400 hitter wanted his remains suspended in liquid nitrogen for future scientific study. Piazza had to quietly back out of the matter when an attorney for Williams' estate outlined the legal obstacles involved.

Piazza said last night that he had not been in touch with Ferrell recently, but would be interested in lending his support if she and her husband resurrected their legal fight. Ferrell's attorney John Heer told The News that Ferrell had given up due to a lack of funding.

"Since there was all this legalese involved, I backed out," said Piazza, who was at the Waldorf=Astoria Hotel for the annual "Great Sports Legends Dinner" which benefits the Buoniconti Fund to Cure Paralysis. "If she's going to resurrect (the fight), I definitely would like to talk to her about that. I just don't know why this guy hasn't been given a proper burial."

Piazza said he had been following the recent reports about "Frozen." On Monday, a Manhattan State Supreme Court judge rejected a bid by Alcor to halt the release of the book. Piazza was one of many All-Stars who gathered around Williams, then 80, while the Red Sox legend sat in a golf cart at Fenway Park during the 1999 All-Star Game festivities.

So according to that article, the family of Ted Williams could now have the support they need, to get Ted Williams out of Alcor.

The Letterman show did a Top 10 list, about when you know you have a bad cryonics company.

Its not posted yet, probably will be in a day or so.
[www.cbs.com]

Letterman The Late Show Top Ten List Tuesday, October 6, 2009

Top Ten Signs You're Dealing With A Bad Cryonic Preservation Company

10. It's called "Cryonics 'N Things"
9. Cold storage room is kept at 74 degrees
8. At Christmas party, you find grandpa's head chilling the eggnog
7. Motto: "If we don't bring you back to life... what are you going to do about it?"
6. "State-of-the-art freezer" is an Igloo cooler in backseat of owner's Hyundai
5. Every now and then, the body of Karl Malden wakes up and eats someone
4. From inside the storage pods, you hear faint cries for help
3. Rated last in "Cryonic Preservation Weekly"
2. For fun, technicians dress bodies to reenact this week's "Mad Men"
1. Representative answers all your questions with "Huh?"

David Letterman - Bad Cryonics Top Ten [www.youtube.com]
[www.cbs.com]



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The next news article states what has been stated in this thread many times.
Its what most cryonics promoters consciously deceive the public about in their advertising. The cryonics salesmen lie about it continusously, to give people a false sense of security about cryonics.
They exploit the naive idealism of their customers.

Once the cryonics company has your body, they can do ANYTHING THEY WANT to it.
They don't have to take care of the body, its not a person anymore. Its just donated biological tissue.
If there is a cooling problem, they can cremate the body, and no one will ever know about it.
There are absolutely no checks and balances, and that is the way the cryonics companies want it.

The cryonics believers are the ones who should be pushing to strictly regulate and close down these bogus cryonics companies.

But notice its the people who own the cryonics companies who fight against any regulation. That is simply so they can do whatever they want with the millions of dollars they are trying to bring in, with no oversight whatsoever.



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[www.azcentral.com]#

Young: Remains of Ted Williams allegedly mistreated
by Bob Young - Oct. 6, 2009 07:02 PM
The Arizona Republic

Somewhere in the Alcor Life Extension Foundation's Scottsdale facility, there is a vessel with a red plaque identifying member A-1949 - or at least his cryonically frozen head.
The plaque reads:

Theodore Samuel Williams

First Life Cycle

30 Aug. 1918 to 5 Jul. 2002

A-1949

In his new book, "Frozen: My Journey into the World of Cryonics, Deception, and Death," Larry Johnson, a former employee of Alcor, alleges that the head of baseball's Hall of Famer has holes drilled in it, is cracked in 16 places from the freezing process and once was smashed with a monkey wrench by an Alcor employee.

And that was all after what Johnson describes as a horribly botched and unauthorized decapitation.

According to the book, Williams' head was placed upside down on an empty BumbleBee tuna can - used as a pedestal - as it was taken down to a temperature of minus-321 degrees Fahrenheit.

Of course, the tuna can - which evidently was left over from feeding a cat that roamed the place at the time - had frozen to the head.

Johnson writes that in the process of moving Williams' remains into the permanent storage vessel, an employee first tried to kick the can loose.

When that failed, he swung at it with the monkey wrench, missing the can and whacking Ted's head "dead center," spraying material across the room.

On his second swing, he hit the can and knocked it off - along with more pieces of Williams' remains.

Yeah, it's gruesome. It's despicable.

And evidently, nobody is willing to do a damned thing about it.

Alcor has denied the allegations, as it has denied previous allegations dating to 2003 made by Johnson in a Sports Illustrated interview.

But even if the allegations are true, there apparently is nothing that is being done, or can be done, about it.

We asked the Scottsdale police if they're looking into it.

Sgt. Mark Clark, a Scottsdale police spokesman, responded via e-mail: "That would fall under the state funeral authority. I don't know which agency would house that function."

That would be the Arizona Board of Funeral Directors and Embalmers, only it evidently doesn't have authority, either.

Rudy Thomas, executive director of the state's funeral board, said his agency has no jurisdiction because it has been determined that Alcor's activities fall under state and federal laws regarding "anatomical gifts" - such as the donation of one's body to science.

"Once someone signs the consent to donate, they're giving them the right to do whatever they want with the body," Thomas said.

If someone in the funeral or cremation business removed someone's head, much less whacked it with a wrench, he or she would be charged with a felony for mutilation of a body.

But apparently Alcor employees can play frozen-head kickball if they feel like it. According to Johnson's book, the company also pours body fluids and chemicals right down the drain.

Hey, if nobody is going to bother to investigate, why not? Williams, it seems, is frozen both literally and figuratively in some sort of cryonic legal limbo.

"The only way to deal with it is to have proper legislation," said Thomas, who has been arguing in support of cryonics regulation since the Williams story surfaced in 2002.

"The federal government has to get involved, or the state has to take the initiative and say, 'We're not going to let that happen here,' and protect the deceased and their loved ones.

"Everybody should die with dignity and respect, and I don't think that's what this is."

Teddy Ballgame might have been the greatest hitter of them all.

Who will step to the plate for him?