no, I didn't mean to imply that Michael Jackson has anything actually to do with cryonics. He doesn't.
Just some cryonics people were chattering about it.
It does seem the cryonics companies want more publicity, so they are probably going to try and target more celebrities in the future, just to get more publicity.

The Michael Jackson comment was just meant as an example, that if a cryonics company is involved with anyone, and if they get a ban on autopsies for "religious" reasons, how will anyone know what killed the person?

What if some fringe nutbar "doctor" becomes a cryonics believer and joins a cryonics company, and starts "injecting" people with something that is hard to detect, for a quick death on command, so they can be frozen quicker?

As stated above, in the past, some cryonics people actually asked for permission to inject someone, and end their life on command, that is assisted suicide. They are always talking about putting people who are still alive "on the table".

That is part of what makes the approach the cryonics companies are taking so dangerous, they are dealing with life and death.
Nevermind all of the contract trickery, and money, and estates, and power of attorney, and papers being signed by elderly people who are be vulnerable...etc.
Its a nightmare really, when one looks into it.

It will be interesting if Alcor does all it can to invite celebs to a free seminar and get them to sign something prior to a "tube" and lab tour which has small print giving Alcor control of them after death. Far fetched, but I trust cults as much as I trust a shark swimming toward me.

It almost takes on a LDS (Mormon) flavor, where the LDS priests preform "Baptisms" on all the non-LDS dead so they can claim, yes, all these famous people were baptised in the Mormon faith.

Of course, the main difference with Alcor is (to quote J Geils song) "First I Look at the Purse".

that is an excellent point.
That appears to be what they did with Ted Williams, or were hoping for, to get some PR out of it.

They wouldn't even have to have a fully signed-paper, even just visiting Alcor, and being filmed saying something could be used.
Or if they find a few celebs who are "out-there" they might be able to persuade them to sign some stuff, and then turn it into a big fight after their death, even just for PR.

That is why frankly any contact with these cryonics companies is potentially dangerous. Even sending them a letter, or pretty much anything, could be used later.

It’s so funny you guys mention Jackson and cryonics. Read the article that I just found today.

[www.mailonsunday.co.uk]

Just wait, those idiots at Alcor will now try to sue the Jackson estate. Maybe they will settle on freezing his chimp.

Anon1, great link. I was just musing about cryonics getting their cold little hooks into someone like Jackson by lying about it...who knew these creeps would actually claim this? Can a lawsuit to get the controlling share of the Beatles music be far away?

That "article" is paid advertising and propaganda for cryonics.
Newspapers are broke these days, and have all sorts of deals going, where they accept these types of embedded advertising articles.

Who paid for it?
Who's businesses are named in the photo's and text?
and of course, since its a Freak-Show side-show, it also attracts readers.

Much of the text in that bogus "article" seems to be a direct copy from other bogus articles on cryonics. Its copied from cryonics press-releases and advertising copy.
Notice how carefully it is worded, in trying to explain how cryonics supposedly works, and how no specific cryonics company is mentioned in the text.
But look at the photo. [i.dailymail.co.uk]


This is not the first time they have done this in cryonics. They were circulating rumors in blogs about Patrick Swayze too.
Someone in cryonics has come up with the idea to try to connect cryonics with celebrity deaths, just in rumor, for free advertising, or moderately priced advertising, like that "article".
Its called an Adverticle. [forum.culteducation.com]
Adverticle (n.) -- A corporate advertisement cleverly concealed within a supposedly unbiased "news article", or "editorial".

Its the new way of promoting your group, sect, cult, or company.
The sex-group called OneTaste has done the same thing, getting the same type of "articles" placed in newspapers, and then using them as references.
[forum.culteducation.com]

The next step for cryonics is to hire some "documentary" producer, to make a "controversial" doc about them, that of course is an infomercial. Its probably being done right now.

Wow, The Anticult...I'm glad you are on our side. Did Alcor look at these posts and publish accordingly? Can we expect to see that poor bastard who most likely died from a "Talk and Die" head injury (Billy Mays(sp?), the famous Oxi-clean huckster) to also have a *MAGICALLY APPEARING* contract with Alcor? What can attorney generals of the states do to stop this stupid and evil abuse? (As an atheist, I use the word 'evil' very seriously).

Whoever got that cryonics Adverticle published, had a generic PR release ready to go, and just added the celebrity name in, attached with the plastination thing.
It came out of England, and there were some other ones that came out of England too. There are cryonics people in England and Europe, who are trying to set up a facility out there.

But notice how carefully that adverticle was worded. They didn't say Michael Jackson was signed up for cryonics, they just said it was now "too late" for cryonics for him. So its just a tricky way to link cryonics with Michael Jackson in the media.

"Michael Jackson set to be embalmed at the O2 Centre after missing the deadline for cryogenic freezing". [www.mailonsunday.co.uk]
QUOTE:
"It was widely believed that the singer, who died yesterday from a heart attack, was interested in having his body frozen in the hope he could later be brought back to life."

That is a press release from cryonics PR people. It was NOT widely believed Jacko was into cryonics. They just made it up, using that loophole..."widely believed".
No one has seen his will, even his family. They just made it up.
Then the rest of the article, is just a cryonics press release. They have probably hired some hot-shot PR company to do this for them.

Can anyone stop them, from using some media contacts to get these bogus kinds of adverticles published?
How can they, when its just based on tricky speculation and inference?
What if some PR contact, has found some anonymous "reporter" who doesn't put his name to a story, to run their story, in exchange for a brown envelope?

Its very crafty, and carefully done.
They have linked those 2 images together, and they hope that other media will pick up the "rumor".
Viral advertising.

There are many other bogus cryonics "articles" and blogs out there involving celebrities.
Expect them to try and run a few more about Michael Jackson. Their hope is to get picked up by Reuters, or gossips sites.


Here is another article that appears to be from 1989?
Holy shit, this article is something else, and some will be reposted below. It appears to say that Alcor had his full estate, and then fought the family, and ended up with 50%?
Have a look at the vicious and ugly battle over the Estate that then went on.
The article says the full residuals could be 20 million?
So one assumes Alcor still get 50% of this guys residuals from The Facts Of Life reruns?
You don't hear them talking about that gravy train, where is all that money going?

this is what its all about, to try and get people with large estates to hand it ALL over.




QUOTE
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Reruns Will Keep Sitcom Writer Dick Clair on Ice—indefinitely
July 17, 1989 Vol. 32 No. 3
[www.people.com]

Now that the court battle over Dick Clair's will has been settled, his assets are no longer frozen. But he is. Clair's mortal remains are preserved in supercold storage, awaiting the day when now unforeseeable advances in medical knowledge will permit his resurrection. ...

An Emmy-winning TV comedy writer and co-creator of such major-league sitcoms as Mama's Family, It's a Living and The Facts of Life, Clair was 57 when he succumbed to AIDS-related illnesses.

Clair was so enthusiastic about promoting Alcor's program that he made the foundation the sole beneficiary of his will. His estate consisted of current assets of about $1 million, more than enough to cover the $100,000 fee for keeping his body frozen indefinitely. ...
And death did not seriously impair Clair's ability to make a living. Hit sitcoms never pass away; they go into syndication, and the residuals from Clair's work may eventually total as much as $20 million. His estate earns $800,000 a year from reruns of The Facts of Life alone.

A lot of cash was at stake, then, when Clair suddenly signed a new will reducing his legacy to Alcor by nearly half just 56 hours before he died—or "went down," as cryonicists prefer to put it. The new will dropped Alcor board member Saul Kent as executor, replacing him with Jenna McMahon, 52, Clair's comedy-writing partner for the last 27 years of his life. While still leaving all his current assets to Alcor, the new will directed only half of Clair's residuals to the foundation, dividing the rest in equal parts among his surviving sister and 10 nieces and nephews.

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Yep, in the New York Times, the cryonics believers were planning back in 2002, to try and use Michael Jackson, and other celebrities to promote cryonics.
Now they have done it, even just using a bogus planted adverticle.

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Casting a Cool Eye on Cryonics
By JESSE McKINLEY
Published: Thursday, July 11, 2002
[www.nytimes.com]
"One goal of cryonics believers, he said, was to convince ''someone very famous, like the pope or Michael Jackson'' to have themselves frozen after death. That goal may have been met when Mr. Ted Williams was put on ice."