Some interesting deleted info below from a former wikipedia entry...notice how a couple cryonic Churches changed their names to "Society" in rebranding, to try and cover-up the religious aspects.
The Church of Venturism changed their name to Society of Venturism, run by David Pizer, who was with Alcor, and still is promoting Alcor. To what extent are they interwoven?
Church Of Venturism, Society Of Venturism (they appear to be buying up a lot of new land in the area).
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www.venturist.org]
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www.quantium.plus.com]
David Pizer.
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imminst.org]
David Pizer admits to being a car upholstery salesman in 1980, so he has solid credentials for religion and the most advanced medical science ever conceived.
(why do so many former street salesmen get into this stuff, like Werner Erhard? Because like LR Hubbard said, religion is the way to go, working in sales is for poor stiffs).
Venturism is a cryonics religion, so they can have a RELIGIOUS OBJECTION TO AN AUTOPSY.
Think about that in context. These people are believers in assisted suicide.
Venturist Ministers can perform weddings.
Some of David Pizer's extreme beliefs can be seen in statements like this from him...
"Some day all rational people will hold views similar to those of the Venturists".
Of course, the irony is the irrationality of the position of the Venturists, but it gives a taste of what is driving this.
He is running "Creekside Preserve Lodge and Venturville". Off the top of ones head..."Preserve" sounds connected to frozen bodies...they have (or had at that time) a 34 acre compound, and his goal is to expand and have a compound WHERE ONLY CRYONICISTS CAN LIVE.
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"The Creekside Preserve Lodge, located in Mayer, Arizona, is the first step toward the creation of a permanent cryonics community to be called Ventureville."
(Of course, due to the cryonic bodies that may be there one day, they will probably have to surround the community with razor wire, cameras, and have their own power supply, food storage, defense systems...)
David Pizer runs a magazine called Physical Immortality about their beliefs and David Pizer states, "when we have extra copies we send them to some of our members who place them in public places, libraries and such".
Mark Plus (who appears to have posted in this thread previously) is listed as the manager of the Creekside. They want other cryonicists to work on the Ventureville compound as waiters, cooks, and in their horse breeding business. He appears to be offering room and board, and minimal-pay.
One assumes posting cryonics advertising on countless blogs is part of the job description.
David Pizer, with his background in car upholstery sales, then states that aging is simply an engineering problem. This is a combination of sheer ignorance, and extreme arrogance.
Aging is actual related to the entropy of the universe, and is one of the most complex areas of biology that is not understood.
But David Pizer, a former car upholstery salesman, current motel owner and horse breeder, and creator of the Venturist cryonics religion, he knows the answers to aging. Imagine that.
Pizer also is fully aware that PERSUASION works in cryonics sales.
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"Can people be talked into wanting life extension? Pizer: Yes, in principle at least. You have to "talk" them into understanding the way things really are first. If you can do that, it falls into place."
Pizer is signing up agents to sell his magazine to doctors offices, etc. Pizer is a real old school door-to-door salesman.
This is all standard classic stuff from top to bottom. Sales sales sales, is like breathing to Pizer.
Signing over the insurance and assets are a very clever sales strategy for them.
Venturism is a cryonics religion, that is a FACT.
They are forming a cryonics compound with only cryonicists allowed to live there.
They are even promoting cryonics marriages.
Their methods of dealing with critics is personal attacks.
Some of the more pie-in-the-sky naive Transhumanists better wake up a smell the coffee...the professional salesmen and religionists have arrived on the Cryonics scene, and they have taken over.
They have a very clear sales and marketing strategy which they are propagating everywhere.
David Pizer is the self-appointed commander-in-chief of this new cryonics religous movement.
A point to review again, is the Venturist cryonic religion's religious objection to autopsies.
Notice above, that some of the same members of the Venturist/Alcor cryonics religion, spoke about how the "perfect" cryonics "patient" was a 10 year old healthy child. [
forum.culteducation.com]
Add this to this the support of voluntary euthanasia and assisted suicide, and the religious objection to autopsies by a coroner.
Without a full autopsy from the coroner, how can they know if the person/child died of natural causes, or was "euthanized" like a sick horse in a horse-breeding farm, in order to facilitate cryonic freezing?
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Religious Transhumanism
Church of Venturism and the Society for Venturism
Perhaps the first Religious Transhumanist organization, the Church of Venturism was incorporated in 1986. In 1990, the leadership changed its name to the Society for Venturism though retaining its identity as a religious organization.
Transhumanist Church and Society for Universal Immortalism
The Transhumanist Church was conceived in 2003 by David Wallace Croft, a founder of the Humanist Fellowship of North Texas, and launched when joined by Tripper McCarthy in 2004. Inspired by R. Michael Perry and his book "Forever for All", the name was changed by vote of the members to the Society for Universal Immortalism. The organization retained its identity as a Transhumanist religion.
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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 02/03/2009 04:46PM by The Anticult.