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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: June 30, 2024 06:54AM


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: June 30, 2024 10:09PM

Interesting and relevant here in how butler and his guru etc used assorted ritualism and self deprecation in followers to convince them that they are "purifying" themselves etc.

The philosophy and krishna groups preach a lot about this idea of the outside world being untrustworthy and only the group/guru and it's ideology being factual...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/a-life-coach-convinced-me-that-my-family-were-paedophiles/ar-BB1p97b5

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: July 04, 2024 12:04AM


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: July 04, 2024 06:22AM

Love coming upon threads like this on reddit where Hare Krishna devotees are actually "thinking" and not just falling for the mindless ritualism and ideology:

read and enjoy https://www.reddit.com/r/exHareKrishna/comments/1dqevtn/forcing_yourself_to_finish_japa_rounds/

Minds are freeing up.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: July 04, 2024 07:00AM


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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: July 09, 2024 10:14PM

Just the lord protecting his sincere devotees...

https://www.thedailystar.net/news/bangladesh/accidents-fires/news/ratha-yatra-tragedy-victims-families-blame-organisers-3652301

Still no word on Tulsi Gabbards murdered aunt... Caroline Sinavaiana Gabbard

Why?

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: just-googling ()
Date: July 10, 2024 09:19AM

Regarding the Ratha-yatra cart hitting the electrical cables: I seem to remember the same thing happened last year or the year before in India and several people were electrocuted. Amazing that they never learn! One would think they would have built the cart to a safe height of 10 or 15 feet? ... but I suppose the Lord would not be too pleased if it was not the regulation 35 feet? Crazy and ridiculous. Religious fanaticism that many would consider to be "idol worship"

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: July 10, 2024 10:39PM

Crazy sad.

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Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
Posted by: RUN_FOREST_RUN ()
Date: July 12, 2024 02:45AM

Chaitanya Mission, an offshoot of Butler's Science of Identity Foundation in the Philippines (operational since I was a child in the cult) has an FB page that literally has NO quotes from hei own Vaishnva (let alone gaudiya vaishnva) texts. None. It is litered with quotes from the Christian bible and Butler's lectures.

https://www.facebook.com/chaitanyamission/

I find this ironic. But it was largely the same when I was growing up in the cult. They like to cater to the Christian mindset, but the cult beliefs and practices have NOTHING to do with Christianity at all. ZERO.

Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe that 500 years ago, epileptic fringe Bengali saint Chaitanya was an incarnation of the god Krishna and the more recently invented, not mentioned in their own top scriptures, goddess Radha.

None of their scriptures or texts even hint at Jesus or Christianity. NONE. It is literally not even a slight aspect of their faith. Mind you, it was not as if there was no Christians in India when Chaitanya started his cult, nor is it as if Christianity was not vastly prevalent in India and all over the known world by the time the chaitanya saint was jumping around in dusty streets in idea falling on the ground and frothing at the mouth in "ecstasy"...

So cults like Butler's Chaitanya Mission and Science of Identity Foundation have basically used divisive and underhanded methods of appealing and preaching to the public about what they really believe and follow.

Bhaktivedanta did the same thing. He painted his cult as a "universal" "non-sectarian" religious group. All while asking his followers to shave their heads, live at ashrams and temples, un-educate their kids and separate them from families, and spread divisive fear against even his own spiritual masters cult.

This stuff is tragically laughable. Mainly cause NO ONE in these cults admits or sees it. Not one of them will ever explicitly tell you that the top-most offering and ambition/hope/desire of each cult member is to have a "realization of one's true spiritual body as a 12-year-old cowherd milk maiden in the eternal cow-infested spiritual Disney land of Goloka Vrindavan in a galaxy far far away...."

In fact, it has become so watered down and diluted in modern times as far as what they really believe and teach that one would, at best, mistake it as a Christian group that likes to meditate and do yoga...

They pretend that they are non-sectarian and that one can achieve the same "goal of life" as their cult offers by chanting "any name of god with sincere devotion and love!"... yet, when was the last time you went to kirtan and heard devotees chanting to Ra and Zeus and Allah???

RUN. Study, learn, and stay hungry for knowledge, but by all means, RUN as far as you can from these destructive and mentally handicapping cults that ask you to believe that some white old fart is being served hand and foot in an ocean-side Hawaiian mansion is is your one and only connection to "god." Read and try to understand and be realistic about the scriptures in your own religious traditions. Know the history of the people who are in positions of power within your spiritual group. It is your job and your job alone to make sure that you are not being fooled and wasting your life.

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