Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
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Date: July 12, 2024 02:45AM
Chaitanya Mission, an offshoot of Butler's Science of Identity Foundation in the Philippines (operational since I was a child in the cult) has an FB page that literally has NO quotes from hei own Vaishnva (let alone gaudiya vaishnva) texts. None. It is litered with quotes from the Christian bible and Butler's lectures.
https://www.facebook.com/chaitanyamission/
I find this ironic. But it was largely the same when I was growing up in the cult. They like to cater to the Christian mindset, but the cult beliefs and practices have NOTHING to do with Christianity at all. ZERO.
Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe that 500 years ago, epileptic fringe Bengali saint Chaitanya was an incarnation of the god Krishna and the more recently invented, not mentioned in their own top scriptures, goddess Radha.
None of their scriptures or texts even hint at Jesus or Christianity. NONE. It is literally not even a slight aspect of their faith. Mind you, it was not as if there was no Christians in India when Chaitanya started his cult, nor is it as if Christianity was not vastly prevalent in India and all over the known world by the time the chaitanya saint was jumping around in dusty streets in idea falling on the ground and frothing at the mouth in "ecstasy"...
So cults like Butler's Chaitanya Mission and Science of Identity Foundation have basically used divisive and underhanded methods of appealing and preaching to the public about what they really believe and follow.
Bhaktivedanta did the same thing. He painted his cult as a "universal" "non-sectarian" religious group. All while asking his followers to shave their heads, live at ashrams and temples, un-educate their kids and separate them from families, and spread divisive fear against even his own spiritual masters cult.
This stuff is tragically laughable. Mainly cause NO ONE in these cults admits or sees it. Not one of them will ever explicitly tell you that the top-most offering and ambition/hope/desire of each cult member is to have a "realization of one's true spiritual body as a 12-year-old cowherd milk maiden in the eternal cow-infested spiritual Disney land of Goloka Vrindavan in a galaxy far far away...."
In fact, it has become so watered down and diluted in modern times as far as what they really believe and teach that one would, at best, mistake it as a Christian group that likes to meditate and do yoga...
They pretend that they are non-sectarian and that one can achieve the same "goal of life" as their cult offers by chanting "any name of god with sincere devotion and love!"... yet, when was the last time you went to kirtan and heard devotees chanting to Ra and Zeus and Allah???
RUN. Study, learn, and stay hungry for knowledge, but by all means, RUN as far as you can from these destructive and mentally handicapping cults that ask you to believe that some white old fart is being served hand and foot in an ocean-side Hawaiian mansion is is your one and only connection to "god." Read and try to understand and be realistic about the scriptures in your own religious traditions. Know the history of the people who are in positions of power within your spiritual group. It is your job and your job alone to make sure that you are not being fooled and wasting your life.
RUN.
https://www.facebook.com/chaitanyamission/
I find this ironic. But it was largely the same when I was growing up in the cult. They like to cater to the Christian mindset, but the cult beliefs and practices have NOTHING to do with Christianity at all. ZERO.
Gaudiya Vaishnavas believe that 500 years ago, epileptic fringe Bengali saint Chaitanya was an incarnation of the god Krishna and the more recently invented, not mentioned in their own top scriptures, goddess Radha.
None of their scriptures or texts even hint at Jesus or Christianity. NONE. It is literally not even a slight aspect of their faith. Mind you, it was not as if there was no Christians in India when Chaitanya started his cult, nor is it as if Christianity was not vastly prevalent in India and all over the known world by the time the chaitanya saint was jumping around in dusty streets in idea falling on the ground and frothing at the mouth in "ecstasy"...
So cults like Butler's Chaitanya Mission and Science of Identity Foundation have basically used divisive and underhanded methods of appealing and preaching to the public about what they really believe and follow.
Bhaktivedanta did the same thing. He painted his cult as a "universal" "non-sectarian" religious group. All while asking his followers to shave their heads, live at ashrams and temples, un-educate their kids and separate them from families, and spread divisive fear against even his own spiritual masters cult.
This stuff is tragically laughable. Mainly cause NO ONE in these cults admits or sees it. Not one of them will ever explicitly tell you that the top-most offering and ambition/hope/desire of each cult member is to have a "realization of one's true spiritual body as a 12-year-old cowherd milk maiden in the eternal cow-infested spiritual Disney land of Goloka Vrindavan in a galaxy far far away...."
In fact, it has become so watered down and diluted in modern times as far as what they really believe and teach that one would, at best, mistake it as a Christian group that likes to meditate and do yoga...
They pretend that they are non-sectarian and that one can achieve the same "goal of life" as their cult offers by chanting "any name of god with sincere devotion and love!"... yet, when was the last time you went to kirtan and heard devotees chanting to Ra and Zeus and Allah???
RUN. Study, learn, and stay hungry for knowledge, but by all means, RUN as far as you can from these destructive and mentally handicapping cults that ask you to believe that some white old fart is being served hand and foot in an ocean-side Hawaiian mansion is is your one and only connection to "god." Read and try to understand and be realistic about the scriptures in your own religious traditions. Know the history of the people who are in positions of power within your spiritual group. It is your job and your job alone to make sure that you are not being fooled and wasting your life.
RUN.
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
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Date: July 13, 2024 12:00AM
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
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Date: July 13, 2024 12:04AM
Interestingly, the only recent and timely news to hit the internet about this case of Tulsi Gabbard's aunt is seemingly being erased, with no other network/news outlet saying anything further. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/indexnowdelete/ar-BB1nssMi
I've not seen any other news outlet say a word about it. The woman accused of the murder has been paired up with a controversial lawyer and is being urged to plea insanity, last heard in court blaming the "devil."
The accused spent much time in California, Hawaii, and New Zealand—all core Butler devotee hotspots. No information has been revealed as to the nature of the argument the two had, but Tulsi's aunt was a very vocal opponent of Tulsi's political career and spoke out about her (Tulsi's) direct link to the Science of Identity cult and guru Chris Butler (AKA Siddhswarupananda Paramahmasa Srila Prabhupada).
Like the Shri Shim case and many other incidents in his cult related to legal issues (Q-net, assorted property disputes, crooked businesses, drugs, etc..), they have the power to lawyer up and shut down anyone and have done so repeatedly.
Even if there is no link to the cult in all of this (likely not)...
RUN
I've not seen any other news outlet say a word about it. The woman accused of the murder has been paired up with a controversial lawyer and is being urged to plea insanity, last heard in court blaming the "devil."
The accused spent much time in California, Hawaii, and New Zealand—all core Butler devotee hotspots. No information has been revealed as to the nature of the argument the two had, but Tulsi's aunt was a very vocal opponent of Tulsi's political career and spoke out about her (Tulsi's) direct link to the Science of Identity cult and guru Chris Butler (AKA Siddhswarupananda Paramahmasa Srila Prabhupada).
Like the Shri Shim case and many other incidents in his cult related to legal issues (Q-net, assorted property disputes, crooked businesses, drugs, etc..), they have the power to lawyer up and shut down anyone and have done so repeatedly.
Even if there is no link to the cult in all of this (likely not)...
RUN
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
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Date: July 14, 2024 04:45AM
Very relevant: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/india-s-godmen-how-a-rigid-caste-system-has-created-a-new-kind-of-deity/ar-BB1pTCJ6
It started with Vivekananda et al. Then Bhaktivedanta. Then everyone jumped on board. Now it's a multibillion-dollar bullshitting industry.
RUN
It started with Vivekananda et al. Then Bhaktivedanta. Then everyone jumped on board. Now it's a multibillion-dollar bullshitting industry.
RUN
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
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Date: July 15, 2024 11:46PM
Looks like Jagad Guru Siddhswarupananda's top disciple, Tusli Gabbard, is praying hard to krishna to protect Sri Trump Maharaj...
"I'm praying for President Trump, his safety, and for our country," said former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.
Meanwhile, maybe Trump Ji will lend a bloody ear now to an issue he exaspirated? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
It's amusing that we were raised in this cult to hate gay people, Muslims, sound science, other faiths, and vote for Butler's republican Mike Gabbard (AKA Krishna Katha Das) candidates... now here we are.
The epeleptic saint Chaitanya Mahaprabhu would be proud.
Jai Sri Trump Ji, ki Jai!
RUN
"I'm praying for President Trump, his safety, and for our country," said former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.
Meanwhile, maybe Trump Ji will lend a bloody ear now to an issue he exaspirated? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
It's amusing that we were raised in this cult to hate gay people, Muslims, sound science, other faiths, and vote for Butler's republican Mike Gabbard (AKA Krishna Katha Das) candidates... now here we are.
The epeleptic saint Chaitanya Mahaprabhu would be proud.
Jai Sri Trump Ji, ki Jai!
RUN
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
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Date: July 15, 2024 11:47PM
It looks like Jagad Guru Siddhswarupananda's top disciple, Tusli Gabbard, is praying hard to Krishna to protect Sri Trump Maharaj...
"I'm praying for President Trump, his safety, and for our country," said former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.
Meanwhile, maybe Trump Ji will lend a bloody ear now to an issue he exasperated? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
It's amusing that we were raised in this cult to hate gay people, Muslims, sound science, and other faiths and vote for Butler's republican Mike Gabbard (AKA Krishna Katha Das) candidates... now here we are.
The epeleptic saint Chaitanya Mahaprabhu would be proud.
Jai Sri Trump Ji, ki Jai!
RUN
"I'm praying for President Trump, his safety, and for our country," said former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard.
Meanwhile, maybe Trump Ji will lend a bloody ear now to an issue he exasperated? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
It's amusing that we were raised in this cult to hate gay people, Muslims, sound science, and other faiths and vote for Butler's republican Mike Gabbard (AKA Krishna Katha Das) candidates... now here we are.
The epeleptic saint Chaitanya Mahaprabhu would be proud.
Jai Sri Trump Ji, ki Jai!
RUN
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
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Date: July 16, 2024 12:33AM
Fucking delusional nut jobs: https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/India/lord-jagannath-saved-donald-trump-iskcon-spokesperson-recalls-connection/ar-BB1pZqYn
RUN, RUN, RUN, and then RUN some more.
RUN, RUN, RUN, and then RUN some more.
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
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Date: July 16, 2024 04:42AM
And just like that Jagannath ji revokes his favor and Tulsi Gabbard is no longer inching any closer to a VP post: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-names-ohio-sen-jd-vance-his-2024-vp-pick/ar-BB1q26T6
God's mysterious ways...LOL... I mean HARIBOL! HARILOL! Whatever.
Praise be.
RUN
God's mysterious ways...LOL... I mean HARIBOL! HARILOL! Whatever.
Praise be.
RUN
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
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Date: July 18, 2024 02:39AM
The epitome of materialistic nonsense that has literally rotted the world's brain, AKA the Kardashians, is being paraded by the Hare Krishna's. The Hare Krishna personality cult has essentially been reduced to a photo-op cult:
https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/news/internet-blesses-kim-and-khloe-kardashian-for-serving-langar-at-iskcon-temple-the-ambani-effect/ar-BB1q3OaB
As with all these cults, any so-called "welfare" activities they do in public are simply a photo-op ploy to have people keep donating to them and lending an ear to their nonsense.
Since the times of Bhaktisiddhanta, even he was eager to rub shoulders with British royalty/elite for a photo-op to gain attention. Alas, it made zero difference. The royalty did not take him seriously nor his cult/message. How could they? It's total bullshit on crack. Likewise, the Kardashians were reeled in by the ISKCON PR team to prance around the temples and serve up shit slop to children while wearing a sari that costs the equivalent of 10 years worth of rice and dhal to feed a Dalit village.
Kardashians are the epitome of the total nonsense in society. So is Shetty et al.
These are the only types of mindset that this cult nonsense appeals to: Personality cult mental addicts who need a naive stand-in to lock their mind into like a baby on a pacifier.
SAD. RUN.
https://www.msn.com/en-in/entertainment/news/internet-blesses-kim-and-khloe-kardashian-for-serving-langar-at-iskcon-temple-the-ambani-effect/ar-BB1q3OaB
As with all these cults, any so-called "welfare" activities they do in public are simply a photo-op ploy to have people keep donating to them and lending an ear to their nonsense.
Since the times of Bhaktisiddhanta, even he was eager to rub shoulders with British royalty/elite for a photo-op to gain attention. Alas, it made zero difference. The royalty did not take him seriously nor his cult/message. How could they? It's total bullshit on crack. Likewise, the Kardashians were reeled in by the ISKCON PR team to prance around the temples and serve up shit slop to children while wearing a sari that costs the equivalent of 10 years worth of rice and dhal to feed a Dalit village.
Kardashians are the epitome of the total nonsense in society. So is Shetty et al.
These are the only types of mindset that this cult nonsense appeals to: Personality cult mental addicts who need a naive stand-in to lock their mind into like a baby on a pacifier.
SAD. RUN.
Re: Chris Butler, Jagad Guru, Science of Identity
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Culthusiast
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Date: July 20, 2024 12:06AM
RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> And just like that Jagannath ji revokes his favor
> and Tulsi Gabbard is no longer inching any closer
> to a VP post:
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-names-ohio-sen-jd-vance-his-2024-vp-pick/ar-BB1q26T6
So sorry. How is this possible. What went wrong...
RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> Since the times of Bhaktisiddhanta, even he was
> eager to rub shoulders with British royalty/elite
> for a photo-op to gain attention. Alas, it made
> zero difference. The royalty did not take him
> seriously nor his cult/message.
However, the German Nazis took the Hindu conglomerate more seriously.
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> And just like that Jagannath ji revokes his favor
> and Tulsi Gabbard is no longer inching any closer
> to a VP post:
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-names-ohio-sen-jd-vance-his-2024-vp-pick/ar-BB1q26T6
So sorry. How is this possible. What went wrong...
RUN_FOREST_RUN Wrote:
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> Since the times of Bhaktisiddhanta, even he was
> eager to rub shoulders with British royalty/elite
> for a photo-op to gain attention. Alas, it made
> zero difference. The royalty did not take him
> seriously nor his cult/message.
However, the German Nazis took the Hindu conglomerate more seriously.
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