Truth wins Wrote:
> The people who also became disciples such as
> Bhaktivedanta in India, were usually raised in
> Vaishnavism from birth.
> They took it seriously. They did not land staright
> from a strip joint.
Genetic background, upbringing by parents, grandparents, traditional - these are very strong influences. Plus as someone recognizes - karmic - own mentality. Although some say that there is a matching - Tibetan Buddhists - pattern matching - person to body. The question then is how perfect the fit is.
> So that made the life of the guru easier too. He
> did not have to train wild rescue dogs.
C. Butler invited Video lectures saying "we can teach you" and emphasized the full transcendental freedom - not necessarily directly. And that's not true when it comes to tradition. Masters paid attention to the "lower nature" and in case of mismatch, conflicts with other students - referred to someone else.
> It was not like hippies who join after LSD, joints
> and sex did not give them the bliss they could not
> This is the corrupt, degraded version of a path
> that was designed for a specific culture.
Some mention that C. Butler had his nervous system destroyed by LSD. In addition, one of the memoirs says that one of the Butler brothers was an established producer and dealer of LSD. Press clippings tell of Rick Reed taking information out of Marsland's attorney's office. Or accusing Larry Mehau. a competitor?
> Because it is so complex, it is truly like a
> science. One must know what the hell they are
> Stick to Jesus and keep it simple.
They hold on to Jesus very tightly. proselytism. Little Vedic philosophy, recruiting material, but Jesus again. And in the context of thinking about positive things. Well, definitely not about the dirt in the SIF. Midgett sees that his cult is collapsing, it's better that they don't think about it. Or forgiving. Forgive me. Wait a minute, old drunkard, first in Catholicism there is confession of guilt, resolution to improve, repentance, reparation, and then there is forgiveness of sins. Not that the guilty teach about forgiveness.
> POLAND>>> The crazy war with the Catholic church?
> ... Court case with Tusta Krishna Swami (was he
> still a swami or was he on his 3rd marriage by
> this time ...ha just joking) ... Fire bombs?
> Outraged locals? ... CB's long rant as posted by
> Culthusiast a few pages ago ... this rant stated
> "we must make them FEAR US" ... and according to
> Culthusiast, this rant was published in the Polish
Maybe the translation was not exactly correct. The letter was to be read in the centers. He did not appear in the public space in Poland - at that time - of course it should now. However, it was not only for the initiates. In turn, in response to this letter, Tapasya das wrote his own in which it clearly says "to challenge the Church and the Polish government". It's starting to come under terrorism. It could be only for initiaties, leaders and their servants.
It turned into action. I don't remember the order but there was a bulletin about sects (according to which SIF has many features of sect), there were public lectures by Tapasya das after the Republican League attacked Madhava dasi in Cracow. They also came to his lecture in Cracow. Earlier there was an attack on Narashing das - flyers with skulls in the stairwell, etc.. Various articles appeared in the press. Different. Pro-Catholic, neutral, hostile and friendly.
It should be remembered that it began with giving meditation classes in Narashing das's apartment, rented out as an artist's flat and studio, with a Catholic priest as administrator and some religious order or church as the owner. Catholic schools around. Madhava dasi was conducting classes there without the consent of the administrator, breaking the lease agreement.
Today's Minister of the Interior and Administration, coordinator of special services in Poland - Mariusz Kaminski - is the former head of the Republican League.
As for Tusta Krishna das and the circumstances of the case, Tusta's lecture in court was supposed to be interestin/pleasurable. Nevertheless, the verdict was balanced. Devotees expressed their enthusiasm at the sentencing, but the judge silenced them and pointed out that the case was not so obvious.
The judge was serious. Lalita Syam dasi was later called by a journalist - at Tapasya das - and congratulated on the victory. Of course, the matter was not black and white because religious minorities were attacked. By themselves, creating controversy, such as an ISKCON member sending a jar of cow feces to his parents as a gift - because Vedic wisdom says that cow poop is aseptic, so this ISKCON member gave sick parents cow feces in a jar as a gift.
Left-wing circles considered the verdict a success. And as part of the fight against the Church, they wanted to help the Mission (SIF). According to my knowledge, such proposals were made, even in Cracow, but apparently Madhava dasi said that politics is a dark forest and would not accept proposals. Which is a paradox considering the sect's notorious political involvement in Hawaii.
In any case, the judge was serious, objective.
At that time, the missionary bald beau and sales trainer was supposed to be having an affair with Archana dasi, and it was Tusta Krishna das that would get angry with them.
The case was accompanied by one protest march in Lublin, but I do not remember the chronology. The devotees took to the streets of Lublin with banners (in Lublin is the Catholic University of Lublin. So Lublin, Torun and Czestochowa can be considered the main centers of Catholic fundamentalism in Poland)
A call from one of the journalists to Lalita Syam dasi was supposed to take place during a retreat near Lublin or a meeting that took place during this period, and when the journalist congratulated Lalita Syam dasi on the court-victory, listening to him, Tapasya das suggested licking the vagina and clitoris with his tongue.
Decades later, one former member suggested suspiciously his living in the home of one of the divorcees rather than at the Lublin center, and suspicious management of the Mission's funds for food for these meetings rather than his/their own.
Anyway, the court case was of great importance for religious minorities, especially Hindu ones, such as ISKON. But, for example, the Himavanti brotherhood was happy, which does not change the fact that it criticized the sect anyway.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2023 04:08PM by Culthusiast.